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Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

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Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

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I'm surprised Matrix is on the front page as much as it is. I mean, it's cool tech, and I use it myself, but it really seems like it's up there every other day. Is there an update that warrants this new post?

Probably the gold rush for decentralized, censorship-resistant platforms for the Right to jump to.

This is bad for any mainstream ambitions by the Matrix team. If it becomes the next Gab/Parler, normal people will avoid being associated with it. I know this association would absolutely sink my friends exploring the platform further while we're exploring alternatives for when Google Hangouts is decommissioned.

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

#22
post #2

Maybe. Not very good PR when matrix.org is having massive performance issues all the time. What fascinates me the most about matrix is that an org could setup their own federation bubble. Like a big game company would setup a new synapse instance for each studio they purchase and just federate them all together for a sort of DIY MS Teams alternative.

Didn't Mozilla migrate their IRC chat to Matrix recently?

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

#23
post #10

I'm surprised Matrix is on the front page as much as it is. I mean, it's cool tech, and I use it myself, but it really seems like it's up there every other day. Is there an update that warrants this new post?

It's probably on the front page because of the Prosody post that is on the front page. Matrix is on the front page because it's really the only open protocol that has a chance of gaining non-technical users. I run a matrix server, which has been nothing but a constant pain. My friends that use it can also use my ircv3 server or xmpp server that I run that use no resources and take up none of my time with maintenance.…

I asked this in the other comment, what is your server specs and user base? Constant pain as in moderation or server breaking ?

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

#24

So how much of a vps you need to host like 100k users? More users? I tried to look but couldnt find much information.

You would need a serious dedicated server if it was possible at all. Matrix as a protocol is excessively resource hungry, there’s a reason the default matrix.org server runs like treacle.

So whats the idea for matrix to scale? If they want more people to join servers other than matrix.org, how will it happen?

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

#25
It was probably a good idea to rebrand from Riot to Element after this week's deadly violence at the US Capitol. It's difficult for me to imagine endeavoring to protect tribal, potential violent rhetoric given recent historical events. It seems short-sighted to sell a water poisoning solution to people who don't mind destroying themselves to attack their perceived opponents.

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

#26
post #10

I'm surprised Matrix is on the front page as much as it is. I mean, it's cool tech, and I use it myself, but it really seems like it's up there every other day. Is there an update that warrants this new post?

It's probably on the front page because of the Prosody post that is on the front page. Matrix is on the front page because it's really the only open protocol that has a chance of gaining non-technical users. I run a matrix server, which has been nothing but a constant pain. My friends that use it can also use my ircv3 server or xmpp server that I run that use no resources and take up none of my time with maintenance.…

If your XMPP server is Prosody check out the new invitation feature to help people sign up: https://blog.prosody.im/great-invitations/

If they're people who want a web client you can look at mod_conversejs: https://modules.prosody.im/mod_conversejs - but it is not as comprehensive a web client as Element, in my opinion.

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

#27
post #21
post #10

I'm surprised Matrix is on the front page as much as it is. I mean, it's cool tech, and I use it myself, but it really seems like it's up there every other day. Is there an update that warrants this new post?

Probably the gold rush for decentralized, censorship-resistant platforms for the Right to jump to. This is bad for any mainstream ambitions by the Matrix team. If it becomes the next Gab/Parler, normal people will avoid being associated with it. I know this association would absolutely sink my friends exploring the platform further while we're exploring alternatives for when Google Hangouts is decommissioned.

I don't see people avoiding using phones even though neo-nazi, criminals, redheads and people with sexual preferences radically different from theirs use them constantly.

Matrix is not a platform, it's a protocol and some implementation software developed in the open.

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

#28
post #25

It was probably a good idea to rebrand from Riot to Element after this week's deadly violence at the US Capitol. It's difficult for me to imagine endeavoring to protect tribal, potential violent rhetoric given recent historical events. It seems short-sighted to sell a water poisoning solution to people who don't mind destroying themselves to attack their perceived opponents.

> It was probably a good idea to rebrand from Riot to Element after this week's deadly violence at the US Capitol.

They rebranded in July 2020 - https://element.io/blog/welcome-to-element/

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

#29
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the gold rush for decentralized, censorship-resistant platforms for the Right to jump to. This is bad for any mainstream ambitions by the Matrix team. If it becomes the next Gab/Parler, normal people will avoid being associated with it. I know this association would absolutely sink my friends exploring the platform further while we're exploring alternatives for when Google Hangouts is decommissioned.

I don't see people avoiding using phones even though neo-nazi, criminals, redheads and people with sexual preferences radically different from theirs use them constantly. Matrix is not a platform, it's a protocol and some implementation software developed in the open.

Yeah, I'd see more of an issue it matrix was a platform. It's more akin to email.

Re: Element – All-in-one secure chat app for teams, friends and organisations

#30
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the gold rush for decentralized, censorship-resistant platforms for the Right to jump to. This is bad for any mainstream ambitions by the Matrix team. If it becomes the next Gab/Parler, normal people will avoid being associated with it. I know this association would absolutely sink my friends exploring the platform further while we're exploring alternatives for when Google Hangouts is decommissioned.

I don't see people avoiding using phones even though neo-nazi, criminals, redheads and people with sexual preferences radically different from theirs use them constantly. Matrix is not a platform, it's a protocol and some implementation software developed in the open.

And these distinctions are esoteric to most.

If the headline “(extremist group) use / flock to matrix to plan (nefarious thing)” shows up in the news, these distinctions hardly matter anymore.

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