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Trump Twitter ban 'raises regulation questions' – UK govt minister

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Re: Trump Twitter ban 'raises regulation questions' – UK govt minister

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post #9

What does the "Health Secretary" have to do with tech regulation? [edit: I would think the UK Health Secretary should be pretty specifically focused on the growing health crisis at home rather than interviewing on topics outside his current role.] In any case, regardless of who you are, if you violate the terms of service of platform, you can be terminated on that platform. The platform makes the rules, within the co…

> What does the "Health Secretary" have to do with tech regulation?

He was being interviewed on a general politics show

>> Mr Hancock, a former culture secretary, told BBC One's Andrew Marr Show

It's usual on these shows for the interviewer to treat the the politician as a representative of the wider government and to ask general questions as well as those about the politician's own area of responsibility.

Re: Trump Twitter ban 'raises regulation questions' – UK govt minister

#22
post #3

My thinking right now is that the status quo is the symptom and not the cause. Were we as the human race simply not ready for this? Could we have been more diligent in educating people on ways of debating and understanding, could we have built a society that is not obsessed with perfection and winning? If it wasn't Twitter, Facebook, Google etc. it would simply be something else in their place who had to perform the…

I'd much rather we all man up and learn to live with the fact that people say things we disagree with on the internet, instead of assuming that we need gatekeeping.

Re: Trump Twitter ban 'raises regulation questions' – UK govt minister

#23
Nietzsche predicted the current course of events:

"Step by step, private companies incorporate state businesses; even the most stubborn vestige of the old work of governing (for example, that activity which is supposed to secure private parties against other private parties) will ultimately be taken care of by private contractors..."

Re: Trump Twitter ban 'raises regulation questions' – UK govt minister

#24
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems like it would just silence minority voices.

Right. How would anyone argue for the repeal of popular, unjust laws? Having free speech tied to current moral fashions seems disastrous.

> Having free speech tied to current moral fashions seems disastrous.

Well, the entire point is that free speech is not the same as broadcasting rights. You can still have free speech. You just don't get a "free platform".

Re: Trump Twitter ban 'raises regulation questions' – UK govt minister

#25
One the one hand, I laugh at the fools in government who make such pronouncements. The big social platforms are *Private Companies*, NOT public utilities. They can do whatever they want.

On the other hand, these platforms have amplified voices that would otherwise not even attain local coverage. Being coldly objective, they also make it possible for State Actors to punch way, way above their weight in an information warfare perspective (see Russia).

It's also very important to remember that social media and modern 24 hour WWF-style "Journalism" WOULD NOT EXIST without near constant levels of conflict content to drive engagement. So there are entire very large business domains where there is existential threat were there to be regulation of content.

Net-net, the best possible outcome of all of this would be the demise of platforms like FB, Twitter, FoxNews, CNN, BBC, et. al as they really only serve to rapidly diminish the IQ's of the electorate/culture.... Of course that won't happen because culturally we are beyond weak and have long since surrendered our future to a small group of people with the wealth to supersede most if not all Government controls (including the UK of course, I mean do you really think Boris Johnson has the stones for doing anything other than running his pie-hole like Trump has for the last 4 years??).

Re: Trump Twitter ban 'raises regulation questions' – UK govt minister

#26
post #3

My thinking right now is that the status quo is the symptom and not the cause. Were we as the human race simply not ready for this? Could we have been more diligent in educating people on ways of debating and understanding, could we have built a society that is not obsessed with perfection and winning? If it wasn't Twitter, Facebook, Google etc. it would simply be something else in their place who had to perform the…

I'd much rather we all man up and learn to live with the fact that people say things we disagree with on the internet, instead of assuming that we need gatekeeping.

Is inciting violence allowed?

Re: Trump Twitter ban 'raises regulation questions' – UK govt minister

#27
post #6

Just a random idea: perhaps we should extend democracy to the spreading of information. I.e. you can spread information but only if the majority of people agree with it. (A post is evaluated/moderated by a small group, then a bigger group, etc., until perhaps it reaches the entire population). Moderation is not limited to groups, so echo chambers would not have a chance. EDIT: minorities still have a chance in two wa…

I think we need to clear this misconception that democracy is good. It may be the least evil form of managing societies we attempted until now, but it's in no way good. Democracy is violently (under threat or by direct action) imposing the will of majority on a minority.

I totally agree with this. But I believe we can only find something better by changing democracy's rules in an incremental manner.

Re: Trump Twitter ban 'raises regulation questions' – UK govt minister

#28
post #3

My thinking right now is that the status quo is the symptom and not the cause. Were we as the human race simply not ready for this? Could we have been more diligent in educating people on ways of debating and understanding, could we have built a society that is not obsessed with perfection and winning? If it wasn't Twitter, Facebook, Google etc. it would simply be something else in their place who had to perform the…

I'd much rather we all man up and learn to live with the fact that people say things we disagree with on the internet, instead of assuming that we need gatekeeping.

Or, man up and recognize that Twitter can ban whomever they want. They are not bound by the 1st amendment (at least in the American context).

Re: Trump Twitter ban 'raises regulation questions' – UK govt minister

#29
post #6

Just a random idea: perhaps we should extend democracy to the spreading of information. I.e. you can spread information but only if the majority of people agree with it. (A post is evaluated/moderated by a small group, then a bigger group, etc., until perhaps it reaches the entire population). Moderation is not limited to groups, so echo chambers would not have a chance. EDIT: minorities still have a chance in two wa…

That would be a terrible idea.

In times gone by, that would have prevented people spreading information about the world being a sphere and orbiting the sun. The flat earthers and proponents of the earth being the centre of the universe would have suppressed Copernicus' and Kepler's discoveries of heliocentrism and elliptical orbits.

New ideas displace old ideas all the time, and that displacement can only occur if there is both a rational evidence-based reason for displacing it and there is the opportunity to do so. To suppress an idea is to remove opportunity for discussion and to entrench the established viewpoint irrespective of its merits. It's the very antithesis of modern liberal thought.

Suppression of ideas also conversely prevents the objective discussion of bad ideas and dismissing them. Too much conversation in the present days is not grounded in objectivity, and this lets bad ideas fester. Open and fair minded discussion is a basic requirement for living in a free society.

There is a disturbing tendency to wish to suppress discussion of "sensitive" or "controversial" topics in recent years. That is a path which will lead to tyranny. Because it boils down to other people telling us what we are and are not allowed to say, think and do. This would not be a fair or free society.

Re: Trump Twitter ban 'raises regulation questions' – UK govt minister

#30
We shouldn't need to even be discussing the ethics of regulating statements made by those in government (or opposition).

It's due to the unbelievable amount of manipulative statements and outright lies (e.g. many of the statements made by the current UK government and the "Brexiteers" - not just Trump) that this is even an issue.

A platform labelling or blocking repeated offenders seems sensible to me - however I do think the rules they are enforcing should be fair and equally applied.

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