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Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Youth unemploynent + unstable region = young men with time on their hands that could easily get recruited and become rebels. So the gov't must be totally interested addressing the issue.

That's how it would work in a democracy. You're forgetting that authoritarian governments do not have to address these things by eliminating the root cause. They can just silence the opposition with arrests or execution [0]. Uganda is so famous for this to the point that there is an entire movie [1] about Idi Amin. If you actually cared about youth unemployment you could address it with simple economic measures first…

It works like that in troubled countries and areas where civil wars are frequent events. In a democracy youth goes out and protests without being shot live rounds at.

I was not equating blocking the app stores with addressing youth unemployment.

Silencing the opposition didn't quite work for Idi Amin, because the opposition became part if the military which topped him and tge next president.

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Facebook and Twitter might do well to just ban politics entirely at this point. It costs them a lot to touch it.

Hacker News definitely should

The intersection of politics and technology is highly relevant to HN.

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It is often the form of american cultural imperialism that can be revolting to see, everything from calling other people names to that they're not https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=LatinX to other such bullshit claiming https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG5nqlMv48c

Please do not take HN threads further into ideological or nationalistic flamewar.

I had not made any ideological or nationalistic comment I merely stated that culturally american values are very different and is often forced upon people in other countries via the internet. I don't wish HN to become that way, once I see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html enforcing conformity to american culture I will stop using it as I'm sure many users in other countries will. Thank you Dang for moderating accordingly.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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This is a watershed election for Uganda. In some small hyperbole Uganda could become the next Rwanda or the next Sudan, depending on whether or not the incumbent is unseated. I would focus on the regional peoples' politics rather than the technocracy or American politics. I firmly believe your thrust is irrelevant to the core issue, if not solely for the immediacy of a democratic threat. I'm not an expert on this, bu…

I appreciate you pointing this out. The article says very little about the political context of this election and Uganda in general. From what I understand, not being an expert either but having spent quite a few months in Uganda in the last few years, Museveni has been the president since 1986 and brought a lot of stability to the country, aka brought peace after lots of conflict under Idi Amin. Some people have exp…

> might be afraid of the US, China, Russia, or other countries bringing their political influence

Incidentally Uganda was previous battleground of US campaign against Huawei with reference to Wine.

>Huawei technicians have been helping governments in Uganda and Zambia spy on their political opponents, a new report says https://www.businessinsider.com/huawei-workers-helped-africa...

Snarky, but interest reading dissecting the agenda behind WSJ article. Choice quote:

>The WSJ doesn't say how it obtained the documents, though it does reveal that Wine was recently in Washington DC where he had briefed the US government on events in Uganda and had received offers of assistance.

https://www.theregister.com/2019/08/15/huawei_uganda_report/

TLDR; Washington upset Huawei prevented them from meddling in domestic Uganda affairs. Huawei lawful interception implementation erodes US influence operations abroad. No surprise tech sovereignty is gaining momentum in any place that is able.

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If I ran was in charge of a government after watching them all ban Trump's ability to communicate at the same time, I too would think about banning them to protect myself.

Yeah that's how you run a successful government. Focus on eliminating enemies and threats. Stay in power at all costs.

If more people were willing to do the right thing and sacrifice their political career the world would be a better planet.

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Of course they can enforce it. They fine them if they not do so, and if they not be willing to pay the fine, then they are blocked. Russia will certainly be a large enough market that they will consider it a financial loss large enough that they might implement this for Russia's version.

Russia already have tried to ban Telegram, but due to help from AWS it turned out that the whole internet needs to be banned, so eventually they gave up. Not saying that Youtube will choose the confrontation the way Telegram did, but it doesn't depend on Russian government alone.

Russia can seize income from Youtube ads.

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You go full China and ban those as well.

At the time of writing people were downvoting you, but I'd say to them that this is a legitimate strategy. China has succeeded in building their own internet economy, unlike the EU or Africa. A "ban them all" strategy is not unthinkable.

There is no African union that is big enough to justify an African only app store. The primary goal behind the store ban is to ban installation of VPNs.

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I wish there would be a societal awakening in Europe and people would boycott American services. Countries need to reclaim their digital sovereignty if they hope to preserve their culture. Back in college everyone I knew browsed reddit, 9gag, facebook, etc for hours every day. The european youth is getting raised by America and fed its political ideology one meme/discussion thread at a time. It took me a long while t…

Instead of worrying about a non issue I would rather fix fundamental flaws in our economic systems. It's not just ruining the lives of young people. It's also ruining the lives of anyone who loses their career in old age but does not receive enough of a pension to retire. Optimizing an entire economy for a minority of savers and wealthy is misguided.

A lot of political anger is rooted in very simple economics. The economy is doing increasingly worse for the majority and that fuels extremism. Of course the extremism makes it harder to do the right thing because people believe in unrealistic promises that are never going to work out but they appeal to their own biases.

For example. Labor in China is very cheap. If Americans want to compete with China they have to reduce their incomes to match Chinese incomes. One idea is to introduce tariffs to raise the costs of products until they are high enough to pay for American labor. You can do this in theory but why on earth would you do it if China can do it cheaper? If you buy products from China you could still use the saved money to employ American labor. So the actual loss is not that great.

The only reason why the tariffs work out is that the labor market is not flexible enough. Low income workers need jobs and the jobs that are there are high skill. Training has to be paid by the workers themselves and the training is not guaranteed to grant a job. Even after acquiring a good college degree there is still a "pseudo training phase" during your first 3 years on the job. Converting low skill workers to high skill workers is too unreliable and expensive so it doesn't happen and it gets worse the older the worker is.

If you could figure out a way to do training effectively and inexpensively your country would be significantly better off by buying Chinese products.

So what politicians will advocate is tariffs instead of better training. It's short term vs long term thinking.

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I honestly don't understand Brexit. My usual assumption when strange things happen in politics is game-theory-compatible: there are strong incentive structures driving the behavior. A roughly equivalent statement: some (possibly large) group of people is going to get rich off it, and they're directly or indirectly driving the change. But here? I can't point to obvious actors with enough pushing power that would benef…

In the language of game theory (but not with enough evidence, so this is a Just-So-Story): When he was a journalist, Johnson discovered that “write disparaging lies [0] about European politics” was a successful strategy. It is plausible others noticed this, and likewise found easier to win power by euro-bashing than by being honest. Given the cognitive biases which makes repetition of claims make those claims seem mo…

There is a well known dynamic with EU law being translated to national law : If it is perceived as good, the national lawmaker will take credit. If perceived as bad, the national lawmaker will point to these nasty EU bureaucrats. After years of this, the local population will perceive any EU law as bad.

A second fun one is unpopular politicians being dumped in EU seats. They vote pro something unpopular, let their local equivalent implement the national law, then blame them for it. Hence extremist politicians make EU law as nasty as possible, just to get some ammonution at home.

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Facebook and Twitter might do well to just ban politics entirely at this point. It costs them a lot to touch it.

> Facebook and Twitter might do well to just ban politics entirely at this point. So your point is to have Facebook and Twitter policing and monitoring everyone's posts for discussions on general politics. Good luck with that. You better have a definition and where to draw the line on which posts, images, text and speech that fit your definition of 'politics'.

What do bans of radical political groups amount to?
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