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Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by harperlee »

berkes wrote: post #150
riffic wrote: post #60

You can't put the ActivityPub ecosystem back inside its bottle. While it seems like (this is a commonly heard complaint) "no one is there", this is simply untrue. The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point, but it doesn't need to happen immediately. It would be nice to see more media establish a presence there though. edit: one of my favorite PeerTube…

> The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. > > in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point, Why do so many people insist on Growth and Largest, as metrics for 'success'? My local pub is a success. They are not worlds' largest pub. My Mom and Granny don't go there. They don't have parties with millions of people crammed in the place. Etc. Why can't Linux be called 'a success', the very moment…

Cost of physical distance enables niches that can be served by your local pub. If we could teleport (well, and cohabit the exact same space and tune out conversations of others at will so crowdiness is not an issue) they would have a much much harder time selling something unique. Scale aids in bringing people in, because it becomes the default choice.

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Post by BlueTemplar »

berkes wrote: post #152
roenxi wrote: post #37

I like PeerTube, but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network. What makes YouTube special is that Google takes care of the advertising side of things and makes it easy for people to monetise. If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.

> If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism Just to be clear (and pedantic): Peertube is French. One could see these fediversed projects as counter-SV, actually. Not 'coming from SV', but attacking the SV status quo.

Indeed, they are staunchly anti-GAFAM † :

https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/

And have pretty much became a reference for libre alternatives :

https://degooglisons-internet.org/en/alternatives

† By the way it's a very SV thing to do to think that everything revolves around SV, and therefore excluding Microsoft from the list of the problematic companies. (And including Netflix, which is problematic in its own ways, but at least an order of magnitude less than the "big 5".) Sadly, some politicians have also been dropping the trailing M, I guess that those big contracts with the military and the healthcare sector have something to do with that…

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Post by Yetanfou »

tastyfreeze wrote: post #116
jrnichols wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network If your main goal is "How can I make money?" then maybe. And that's one of the huge reasons that YouTube is the mess that it is. For the rest of us, this is not important at all. In fact, I am happy that there is no advertiser network whatsoever. if I put something on the web, I do not do it because I expect compensation. I am not alone in this s…

Most content creators need to be compensated to continue making content. Advertising isn't the only solution but it does allow viewers to watch without paying. PeerTube needs content creators to get on board. Having options for monetizing content could encourage creators to use PeerTube.

The mere fact that you use the terms "content" and "content creators" stems from the fact that you're talking about a different category of creator, namely those whose role is to pull in eyes to see the ads which make money for the site owner. The parent poster wants people to see the videos he puts out and is not in it for the money. In the first case the video distribution system is a tool to make money, in the second it is a tool to distribute videos.

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Post by BlueTemplar »

judge2020 wrote: post #51
qwantim1 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t agree. It’s an important thing, not the important thing. This is a great alternative to sharing large video files with others by having someone else just watch what they want of it, if you want to ensure it’s more permanent than- let’s say- Google Music. If the fear is that an evil Google competitor will come along that will do more damage- this wouldn’t enable that. That would take a serious amount of fundin…

That's kind of an issue then - YouTube is only partly (probably a single-digit-percent given they dropped the direct share feature[0]) about sharing videos with friends - most people stick around for the recommendations, ie. the endless stream of interesting/intriguing/funny content. Most of that content currently dominating YT (at least, at the quantity that it's produced) is only possible due to these creators maki…

I'm pretty sure that one of the main reasons that YouTube 'won' is that it was easy to just share these videos with friends/family, and also straightforward to enable/disable public sharing of them.

I've never even heard of that 'direct share' feature, but have used the private and unreferenced settings on my videos many times over the years.

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Post by LockAndLol »

Imnimo wrote: post #112

I spent like 20 minutes trying to find something I would legitimately want to watch on PeerTube and came up empty. I can't tell if it's because PeerTube just happens to have a different type of content than what I like to watch, or because I don't understand how to make the best use of the search functionality, or if the search functionality is just bad. Regardless, it's a real tough sell for me to replace YouTube wi…

Some instances have global search (search across instances) activated, but there's also a website written by the devs of peertube to do that global search https://sepiasearch.org/

You can use that to first find the videos you like and decide if you like the instances they are on.

Edit: To be honest, I spend 20 minutes on youtube trying to find the stuff that I want to watch and give up often too. Their content discovery really is terrible and only shows the highest rated and most watched, which doesn't help if you've watched them already.

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Post by BlueTemplar »

pjc50 wrote: post #170
geoah wrote: post #3

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Congrats on a major update! Peertube is something I’ve been trying again and again from time to time. My main issue is finding instances to follow that are properly moderated. A lot of the suggested instances are filled with stolen content, porn, or just very wtf videos. I’m hoping that once peertube provides ways for users to sponsor/subscribe-to creators’ peertube channels that more will either jump ship from youtu…

> lot of the suggested instances are filled with stolen content, porn, or just very wtf videos. The service that competes with youtube but is less convenient will necessarily be full of content banned from youtube.

Yeah, though as we can see from experience of Gab being the biggest Mastodon instance and Mastodon not having collapsed, it's possible to have an alternative without it necessarily becoming a "witch town".

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Post by throwaway316943 »

etchalon wrote: post #145
roenxi wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is giving "kill all men" a metaphorical reading. That is a fair reading, it probably isn't actually a call to violence, they just feel frustrated about something. The issue is that a fair reading is not being applied evenly. Twitter interprets "To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th" [0] as a call to violence. That isn't even close to a fair metaphorical reading,…

The post made clear that it wasn't about the tweet itself, but the broader context and how the tweet was being interpreted by communities who sought to do harm. You can argue that's not fair to Trump, and don't pretend his accounts were banned for the literal meaning of the words, when the post you linked to makes clear the thinking behind the decision.

This is the “video games cause violence argument”

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by jamesrcole »

kitotik wrote: post #87
jamesrcole wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. I'm in favour of it, and hope it does well. But at the same time, constant growth itself doesn't mean that much. There's a big difference between slow constant growth and explosive constant growth. Something can constantly grow yet still remain something most people have never heard of. I think Linux on the desktop is a reasonable example of this. The altern…

Why does it need to compete with YouTube? Is it really a zerosum situation?

It doesn’t need to. But obviously there are people who want it to be at least fairly well used.

The value of such a thing has a lot to do with how many people use it and how much content there is. You need users to give incentive for people to upload content. And you need content to incentivize new users.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by LockAndLol »

BlueTemplar wrote: post #169
LockAndLol wrote: post #155

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TL;DR We don't need ads. There's a possibility to add donation links and the icon is then visible on every video. Patreon is big for a reason: people actually use it. I'd rather donate to the content creators I want to see thrive than be bombarded with ads for things I don't want anyway. The peertube devs refuse to incorporate monetization beyond donations, but they DO have a plugin system. It's not beyond imaginatio…

Patreon has its own issues. I wished it would be less dominant in the English-speaking donation 'market'. I was hoping that Flattr would be able to provide a Chromium-free, 'Brave-like' experience, especially with their browser plugin, but if anything it has been losing popularity (despite being years older than Patreon!). For a reason that escapes me, they even recently decided to officially remove their plugin, so…

Same. I was also hoping to find something that doesn't require me to have a credit card, only accepts USD, and *has* to go through a third party.

Flattr uses credit cards exclusively, Liberapay only uses Stripe, Patreon a host of third parties but no direct transfers, and I have checked out the rest.

Why can't I just transfer the amount I want, when I want, directly to another bank without an intermediary? I'm fine with the donation subscription service knowing how much and to whom I'm donating and taking out but why does it have to talk to so many other services I haven't picked or agreed to interact with?

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Post by hobofan »

roenxi wrote: post #37

I like PeerTube, but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network. What makes YouTube special is that Google takes care of the advertising side of things and makes it easy for people to monetise. If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.

Advertisement on Youtube is as irrelevant as it has ever been.

After the "Adpocalypse" where the money you could make from advertisement significantly dropped for most creators, they recognized that relying only on Youtube is a bad idea and diversified. Since then other avenues (Twitch, Patreon, merch, ad placements) have become their primary sources of income.

For mid-size creators Youtube ads are not enough to make a living from it and for big creators with low production expenses (e.g. gaming videos) that _could_ make a living from it, it's not a significant portion of their income if they diversified (and most creators that haven't are not on the platform anymore).

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