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Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Post by asveikau »

pacaro wrote: post #2

This is one of those surprisingly useful and obvious things that I'm surprised not to have seen before. Knowledge of (including pronunciation) jargon is a classic gatekeeper In my experience, I'm in the minority in pronouncing sudo as soodoo, the majority seem to say pseudo. OTOH I've never heard anyone say fsck as anything other than f-suck From personal experience at Microsoft the backslash was frequently pronounce…

Also ex MS and I recall whack. I also heard a story about a server called paddy, so its shares were whack whack paddy whack.

Never heard bazillion. But many of us used to memorize a bunch of hexadecimal codes and know the symbolic names based on the visual of the hex digits. After repeat lookups the common ones just stay in your brain without effort. The one you shared looks like STATUS_ACCESS_VIOLATION.

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Post by koolba »

Daneel_ wrote: post #17
danaliv wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn’t. There’s no vowel sound between sh and m. Think schmear. Onset: shm. Nucleus: o. Coda: d. One syllable.

Forgive me, but I don't understand how you can pronounce it as one syllable. I would have to pronounce /shmod/ as either /sh-mod/ or /shm-od/, making it two syllables. I'm happy to be corrected, I just physically can't understand how to pronounce it as one syllable.

It’s pronounced similar to schmaltz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmaltz

The trick is one continuous motion of pursing your lips, closing and then opening your mouth as you roll the constants together.

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Post by danaliv »

Daneel_ wrote: post #17
danaliv wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn’t. There’s no vowel sound between sh and m. Think schmear. Onset: shm. Nucleus: o. Coda: d. One syllable.

Forgive me, but I don't understand how you can pronounce it as one syllable. I would have to pronounce /shmod/ as either /sh-mod/ or /shm-od/, making it two syllables. I'm happy to be corrected, I just physically can't understand how to pronounce it as one syllable.

I hear ya. It’s not a terribly common consonant cluster. (In fact I think all English words that start with s[c]hm are Yiddish loanwords, but don’t quote me on that.) Try pushing your lips forward before making any sound, and drawing them back+together as you make the sh sound. It’ll come out as a single shm sound.

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Post by jhot »

Daneel_ wrote: post #9
pacaro wrote: post #2

This is one of those surprisingly useful and obvious things that I'm surprised not to have seen before. Knowledge of (including pronunciation) jargon is a classic gatekeeper In my experience, I'm in the minority in pronouncing sudo as soodoo, the majority seem to say pseudo. OTOH I've never heard anyone say fsck as anything other than f-suck From personal experience at Microsoft the backslash was frequently pronounce…

I was a su-dough person until I realise that sudo stands for 'super user do' or 'su do', so I switched to soodoo - it makes a lot more sense that way. f-suck is a new one for me though. I would say F S C K to someone else, but I call it fusk in my head.

I've always said F S check in my head but never said or heard it on conversation. I started my computer journey with msdos so I think chkdsk is to blame for me saying 'check'.

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Post by brixie »

I recently wondered about the best way to pronounce commands of the `[...]ctl` family, which seem to get omitted from most of these lists I come across. I personally now use "cuttle", but am curious what others say (for example, Kubernetes [1] is one notable exception, search "cube control").

[1] https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/blob/master/CHANGEL...

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Post by geofft »

danaliv wrote: post #14
Daneel_ wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's... two syllables.

It isn’t. There’s no vowel sound between sh and m. Think schmear. Onset: shm. Nucleus: o. Coda: d. One syllable.

Y'all would probably enjoy Wikipedia's discussions of English phonotactics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonotactics#English_phonotact...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_phonology#Phonotactics

/ʃm/ is not a legal onset in native English. (Let alone /tʃm/, which is how I pronounce "chmod" - two syllables, /tʃə 'mɔːd/.)

"Schmear" is a Yiddish loanword coming from German, where /ʃm/ is perfectly legal. So it's pronounceable by the human mouth, it's just a little awkward for English speakers.

/sm/ and /ʃr/ are both legal in English, so you might think of it as something like those. Can you pronounce "smear" or "shrine" as one syllable?

(I'm not sure /tʃm/ is valid in any language - words or names that start with "chm" seem to be Polish/Russian words transliterating /xm/.)

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Post by alisonatwork »

Daneel_ wrote: post #17
danaliv wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn’t. There’s no vowel sound between sh and m. Think schmear. Onset: shm. Nucleus: o. Coda: d. One syllable.

Forgive me, but I don't understand how you can pronounce it as one syllable. I would have to pronounce /shmod/ as either /sh-mod/ or /shm-od/, making it two syllables. I'm happy to be corrected, I just physically can't understand how to pronounce it as one syllable.

If you think about a lisping pronunciation of smoke, sounding like "shmoke", this is how I imagine it would sound. One syllable.

I wonder if the grandparent is French, because I would never have considered to pronounce chmod like this. Then again, I say C H mod and C H own, which apparently isn't the standard pronunciation, so what do I know!

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Post by danaliv »

alisonatwork wrote: post #27
Daneel_ wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgive me, but I don't understand how you can pronounce it as one syllable. I would have to pronounce /shmod/ as either /sh-mod/ or /shm-od/, making it two syllables. I'm happy to be corrected, I just physically can't understand how to pronounce it as one syllable.

If you think about a lisping pronunciation of smoke, sounding like "shmoke", this is how I imagine it would sound. One syllable. I wonder if the grandparent is French, because I would never have considered to pronounce chmod like this. Then again, I say C H mod and C H own, which apparently isn't the standard pronunciation, so what do I know!

White-bread American Midwesterner. :-) Not sure where I picked this pronunciation up.

I think what I’ve learned today is that no one pronounces any of these words even remotely the same!

...and while we’re at it, let’s do “char.”

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Post by saurik »

hodgesrm wrote: post #8

MySQL pronunciation can be "My S Q L" or "My Sequel." I think most people in the community probably use the latter, but truthfully most of us don't really care. The "S Q L" vs. "Sequel" split has existed almost as long as SQL itself. The original name for the language was "SEQUEL." [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL#History

FWIW, much like a linguistic accent or regional dialect, using "sequel" tends to make you sound more like a Microsoft developer (definitely to people from my generation). This has been merging a bit in the last decade (mostly as the linguistic traditions of subcultures in general have been eroding from Eternal September and an entire generation passing), but it is still notable enough that people bring it up occasionally.

Re: Common pronunciations of Linux directories, commands, etc. (2017)

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Post by schoen »

danaliv wrote: post #4

Never heard fsck spelled out. It’s always been /fisk/. I guess that’s the sort of nonsense one should expect from a person who wrongly abhors the great and beautiful emacs. ducks

I'm guessing you mean /fɪsk/ -- almost all -isk words (whisk, disk, risk) are pronounced with /-ɪsk/.
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