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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is? It seems kind of obvious to me. People who don’t care about a topic are not going to edit the page about it.

But that’s sort of how the whole thing tends to work. If a topic is niche and one sided, you’ll get your small filter bubble which doesn’t really hurt anyone. If it’s controversial, the writing will tend towards the careful middle. It’s not perfect but works as well as anything its size could.

> If it’s controversial, the writing will tend towards the careful middle.

No, it will tend towards the side of those who has the most admin rights and most time for reverts. They will have no interest in neutrality

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#42

Its reputation is severely declining, especially on topics relating to current events, figures, or politics. It, however, remains excellent for technical knowledge.

Hard disagree. If anything I'd say its value and reputation for current events and politics are higher than ever.

Please substantiate your unfair attack.

Also: there's a typo in your comment. First word should be "Its", and not "It's".

Re: Wikipedia is 20

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I just opened up google maps and zoomed in on a random town: Mt. Pleasant Iowa. If I search it on google, on the top of the page is a snippet from Wikipedia. The top result is a link to Wikipedia. The second is the actual town website.

This is what I find fascinating about the project. We’re more interested in reading a secondary source compiled by random people, than the actual primary source! I think it says a lot about the nice interface it has.

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such as?

Some people believe "Neutral Point of View" means you are supposed to write articles about serial killers in such a way that reading them would have no impact on your willingness to let them marry your son.

Don't mind me, just stealing this quote above.

On a serious note, this is very well put. It's the nature of language to lean toward a direction.

Re: Wikipedia is 20

#46

Its reputation is severely declining, especially on topics relating to current events, figures, or politics. It, however, remains excellent for technical knowledge.

100%. Wikipedia is an excellent recourse for anything non political, especially scientific and technical information.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty serious allegation, and you're going to have to elaborate on that.

Here is a write-up on the subject. https://thecritic.co.uk/the-left-wing-bias-of-wikipedia/

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Re: Wikipedia is 20

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I was originally enthusiastic about the 'wisdom of the crowds' and its potential. The Internet was a great experiment with unknown possibilities. I edited Wikipedia and talked about its potential.

I was skeptical at the same time - it was an experiment, not a revelation. I used to tell people, 'I don't know how Wikipedia could work, but it seems to'. I'd apply 'The Cathedral and the Bizarre' concept to it, and 'with enough eyes, all bugs are shallow' (even though those ideas were intended for open source software).

The 'wisdom of the crowds' depends on good faith from the members of the crowd. Otherwise you get the manipulation of the crowds and propaganda of the faux crowds. One serious concern I had was that, if economics predicts human behavior to some extent, Wikipedia could be a victim of its own success: The more readers and influence it had, the more likely people would try to use that power. I first saw it happening in 2006, in the page on the Duke University lacrosse team's sexual assault case. Many editors clearly engaged in rewriting history in order to advocate for the lacrosse players; many had names clearly asserting affinity for Duke U., such as 'bluedevil'. That seizure of power was highly disturbing; has Wikipedia developed better means to prevent it now?

Of course, the focus on using the 'wisdom of the crowds' to manipulate has shifted to other platforms, such as Facebook and Twitter. I stopped using Wikipedia years ago, other than to lookup basic facts that have little significance to me. I use Britannica (or other expert sources), which IMHO is very good and often very well written. While there is some benefit to 'wisdom of the crowds', I never know if that's what I'm getting at Wikipedia. As for the expert approach,

In matters of science, the authority of thousands is not worth the humble reasoning of one single person.

Re: Wikipedia is 20

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post #39

Plenty of subtle agenda-pushing on Wikipedia if you're paying attention

Here is an example for people asking for one. As an experiment I tried to get some fairly innocuous numbers into participation in Australia sport. There is a big survey done in Australia, the Ausplay survey: https://www.clearinghouseforsport.gov.au/ They have extensive tables on adult participation. Two editors would not let this data into the sport in Australia article. The reason was fairly obvious, it shows that s…

Here's the RFC in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sport_in_Australia#RFC_on...

As can be expected when you're told that "the reason was fairly obvious" and that reason is somewhat nefarious, that reason is not the one given by anybody involved. Instead, people took issue with the methodology used to gather the data.

(I have no idea if that criticism is legitimate, nor do I have any other horse in this race, nor do I care the least bit about the popularity of horse racing in Australia which, yes, happens to be part of that debate.)

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