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Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by tetrometal »

lumost wrote: post #255
tetrometal wrote: post #238

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It's attitudes represented by this blithe dismissal of a compelling argument that will continue to divide the nation. I guess you think you're going to get something out of it, but this is a scenario that nobody wins. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In the spirit of healthy debate, you could share the evidence you find so compelling. The article linked did not include any evidence or argument that I could find (even after watching the video)

I owe you an apology. I was sure I had posted the article referencing his conclusions video, but I did not, and I ended up wasting your time and compounding my error with an unfounded accusation. That was pretty egregious and rude, and I'm sorry about that.

If you're still inclined, here's his conclusion video. The summary includes links to various sections within the admittedly lengthy video, if it helps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH9ihoLi1NA

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by tetrometal »

michaelmrose wrote: post #188
tetrometal wrote: post #139

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You're just making assertions and hoping that the zeitgeist continues to agree with you. It's easy for the winning side to trot out a bunch of people that support their position (and if you try suggesting R's are on the same side as Trump supporters, then you're more divorced from reality than I feared). Trump supporters don't care. They want specific concerns addressed. And frankly, they should be. Every election in…

There is no reason whatsoever to believe this election was stolen beyond unverified fabricated nonsense spread by the loser and his cronies and amplified by social media. Each state has measures in place to ensure a fair election takes place including, canvassing, the recourse of requesting a recount or pursuing litigation. All these things already happened and it was proven over and over that there was no substantia…

Do you have a response to this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH9ihoLi1NA

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by tetrometal »

mullingitover wrote: post #257
tetrometal wrote: post #248

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True. It's also true that he told them to protest peacefully BEFORE the riot as well. "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." Frankly I find your dishonesty unacceptable.

> Frankly I find your dishonesty unacceptable. Hilarious if you're being serious. Read the transcript. Those 'peacefully and patriotically' disclaimers are surrounded with language like: > We want to go back, and we want to get this right because we’re going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed, and we’re not going to stand for that. > But this year using the pretext…

Of course I'm serious. Don't think that we don't notice you conveniently ignoring being called out for your deception. Your reputation is decreasing monotonically.

Nothing in the lines you posted gives me pause, or suggests anything remotely like "invade the capitol building". To suggest otherwise is simply speculative conspiracy that frankly sounds like the QAnon crap I have to combat from the right. You're all so tiresome, but the left is far more dangerous because its conspiracy nuts have somehow installed themselves into the institutions and are brainwashing millions of people with their inanity.

I swear, I'll be spending the rest of my life alternating between "No, Donald Trump didn't incite insurrection," and "No, Joe Biden didn't communicate that he had built an organization to perpetrate voter fraud." facepalm

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by perl4ever »

mc32 wrote: post #209
design-material wrote: post #200

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If you're attempting to equate the contexts of systemic, on-going race-based manslaughter to someone fabricating a conspiracy theory (while offering no evidence, threatening other elected officials, rallying supporters, etc) then that is - purely in an academic sense - stupid.

If you look at per-police interaction statistics the narrative changes. All kinds of people die during interactions with police. Now, what we can claim is that historical injustices have led to increased ratios of police interaction by different populations. That’s true. However, per interaction, the police are not more likely to be fatal to one group vs another. That’s a misrepresentation. See: Simpson’s Paradox. Gi…

What does the percentage of fatalities per interaction have to do with justice?

For the same given percentage, they could all be people who were genuine threats, or all people reaching for their wallets in their own garage.

The metric is not measuring what matters.

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Post by ajconway »

CivBase wrote: post #67
ajconway wrote: post #38

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Banning (or, more precisely, disturbing operation of) a decentralized service is much easier than a big, important centralized one. You just need to obtain the DNS names or IP addresses of the nodes the same way everyone else does — by participating in the network. This way you can even selectively ban the "bad" nodes. Banning a centralized service like gmail is easier, but then you lose in productivity as 90% of you…

Wouldn't you also have to keep searching for and squashing content mirrors all the time? That seems like a pretty big investment to me.

Correct, but so will the users until one of the sides gives up.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by eunos »

digdigdag wrote: post #127
eunos wrote: post #92

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I am talking in a more general term. And also they do want ability impose sovereignty upon the narrative. That include the ability to prevent Silicon Valley companies propagate narrative that is not compatible with the sovereign.

No one is forcing you to use "Silicon Valley" products. There's already a precedent set in the courts when a bakery refused to offer service to a gay couple because of personal beliefs. Likewise, Twitter et. al. are simply following the same precedent set to enforce their values in the products they offer. The social media app is not public square and no one is certainly entitled to use it.

Again I'm talking from sovereign point of view. You don't want Silicon Valley companies to control your country's information flow. There's no guarantee that those companies won't ban the account of government apparatus for whatever reason.

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Post by jhanschoo »

Can someone with more familiarity with Ugandan politics comment? My understanding is that outside developed states, lawful democracy can be very brittle especially in states containing multiple nations and tribes, and when there is a long history where the people tend to put their own nation and tribe before the others in the same state, leading to conflict.

The rationale and measure seems to be a better evil if the politics are thusly brittle.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by dang »

tetrometal wrote: post #263
mullingitover wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Frankly I find your dishonesty unacceptable. Hilarious if you're being serious. Read the transcript. Those 'peacefully and patriotically' disclaimers are surrounded with language like: > We want to go back, and we want to get this right because we’re going to have somebody in there that should not be in there and our country will be destroyed, and we’re not going to stand for that. > But this year using the pretext…

Of course I'm serious. Don't think that we don't notice you conveniently ignoring being called out for your deception. Your reputation is decreasing monotonically. Nothing in the lines you posted gives me pause, or suggests anything remotely like "invade the capitol building". To suggest otherwise is simply speculative conspiracy that frankly sounds like the QAnon crap I have to combat from the right. You're all so t…

We've banned this account for using the site primarily (exclusively?) for political flamewar. That's not allowed because it destroys the curious conversation this site exists for. Yes, we ban accounts that do it regardless of their ideological flavor.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

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Post by lumost »

tetrometal wrote: post #261
lumost wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the spirit of healthy debate, you could share the evidence you find so compelling. The article linked did not include any evidence or argument that I could find (even after watching the video)

I owe you an apology. I was sure I had posted the article referencing his conclusions video, but I did not, and I ended up wasting your time and compounding my error with an unfounded accusation. That was pretty egregious and rude, and I'm sorry about that. If you're still inclined, here's his conclusion video. The summary includes links to various sections within the admittedly lengthy video, if it helps: https://ww…

I watched the video, and I'll share some context.

I worked in the marketing and ad-tech industries for the better part of a decade. The data linking tools that Matt Braynard used to "enhance" the data available from states are intended for marketing purposes where even a 30% accuracy is sufficient for call, mail, and digital campaigns. They are not suitable for "auditing" an election, as you'll inevitably introduce bad data. Further, linking individuals from different databases is highly error prone - there are more than 500 thousand people in the US with my first and last name. Individuals may choose different writings of their name at different times such as including or excluding Sr./Jr. or including or excluding a middle initial.

The above limitations become apparent in the below hearing on Michael's evidence in the Georgia state legislature. Individuals were clearly misslinked by name, and inferred birthday - simple errors due to removing Sr/Jr. are also present.

https://youtu.be/1U8CuyfcnLs

These linking errors are inevitable in this analysis as the state does not publicly disclose sufficient information to uniquely identify individuals for privacy reasons.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by dang »

ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: post #46

I wish there would be a societal awakening in Europe and people would boycott American services. Countries need to reclaim their digital sovereignty if they hope to preserve their culture. Back in college everyone I knew browsed reddit, 9gag, facebook, etc for hours every day. The european youth is getting raised by America and fed its political ideology one meme/discussion thread at a time. It took me a long while t…

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25705107.
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