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Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by pixl97 »

roenxi wrote: post #37

I like PeerTube, but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network. What makes YouTube special is that Google takes care of the advertising side of things and makes it easy for people to monetise. If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.

Profitable how?

If it is not moderated, it will just be filled with spam, porn, and insane rambling.

If it is moderated it can be attacked and/or controlled.

It's a lose/lose situation.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by wGeF7H8Z59y985y »

dang wrote: post #75
wGeF7H8Z59y985y wrote: post #11

You can’t label everything you disagree with as extremism. Advocate for the destruction of Israel on the basis that the Muslim god said so? That’s extremism. Holding different political views? That’s part of being a healthy and diverse society. I wish Americans would grow up and learn to coexist.

Please don't post political or religious flamebait to HN. This comment is seriously not cool—it's basically starting yet another fire where there wasn't one already burning. HN is burning in 17 different places right now and we need users like you to refrain from arson and/or criminal negligence. Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use the site as intended. We detached this subthread fr…

You can’t have your cake and eat it too, dang. You’re asking us to refrain from politics in the same breath in which you’re sweeping any sign of dissent under the rug. No wonder your house is on fire! This whole damn country is on fire, and you don’t fight fires with more gasoline.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by mhuffman »

cortesoft wrote: post #78
roenxi wrote: post #37

I like PeerTube, but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network. What makes YouTube special is that Google takes care of the advertising side of things and makes it easy for people to monetise. If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.

How is it going to be a profitable opportunity? No brand wants to be associated with the content that is being blocked, so there is no advertiser demand for alternative platforms.

I think you will find that if there are eyeballs, there are brands interested in advertising. Examples include: The Pirate Bay, 4chan, pornhub, etc.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by jamesrcole »

riffic wrote: post #60

You can't put the ActivityPub ecosystem back inside its bottle. While it seems like (this is a commonly heard complaint) "no one is there", this is simply untrue. The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point, but it doesn't need to happen immediately. It would be nice to see more media establish a presence there though. edit: one of my favorite PeerTube…

> The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing.

I'm in favour of it, and hope it does well. But at the same time, constant growth itself doesn't mean that much.

There's a big difference between slow constant growth and explosive constant growth. Something can constantly grow yet still remain something most people have never heard of. I think Linux on the desktop is a reasonable example of this.

The alternatives will likely be constantly growing as well.

> in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point

it's going to be difficult to compete against YouTube... there has to be some reason why people use it instead of YouTube.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by roenxi »

marcinzm wrote: post #54
roenxi wrote: post #37

I like PeerTube, but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network. What makes YouTube special is that Google takes care of the advertising side of things and makes it easy for people to monetise. If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.

>If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops. YouTube started moderating it's content more because advertisers asked for it. No large advertiser wants to be shown next to a neo-nazi video.

About 33% of the US actively supported Trump's bid for presidency, and accounting for turnout probably a majority didn't care if he got back in.

Accounting for business owners likely leaning free-market, it seems improbable that they mean 'Trump supporters' when they say 'we don't want to advertise with neo-nazis'. They probably mean literal neo-nazi.

I don't mind if literal neo-nazi are moderated off a channel. Nobody likes them.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by toolz »

astrange wrote: post #77
toolz wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To directly answer your question, I would say no - however it is ideological activism to only enforce those ToS for specific services. The #killallmen hashtag has trended more than once on twitter, for example.

Has anyone attempted to kill all men?

After a quick search, yes there is at least one incident of a woman who killed a boy and stated that she wanted to kill all men. There may be more, I haven't spent much time on the subject, either way the definition of incitement doesn't require anyone to follow through with the incited actions.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by kitotik »

jamesrcole wrote: post #84
riffic wrote: post #60

You can't put the ActivityPub ecosystem back inside its bottle. While it seems like (this is a commonly heard complaint) "no one is there", this is simply untrue. The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point, but it doesn't need to happen immediately. It would be nice to see more media establish a presence there though. edit: one of my favorite PeerTube…

> The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. I'm in favour of it, and hope it does well. But at the same time, constant growth itself doesn't mean that much. There's a big difference between slow constant growth and explosive constant growth. Something can constantly grow yet still remain something most people have never heard of. I think Linux on the desktop is a reasonable example of this. The altern…

Why does it need to compete with YouTube? Is it really a zerosum situation?

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by riffic »

jamesrcole wrote: post #84
riffic wrote: post #60

You can't put the ActivityPub ecosystem back inside its bottle. While it seems like (this is a commonly heard complaint) "no one is there", this is simply untrue. The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. in my mind there will eventually be a tipping point, but it doesn't need to happen immediately. It would be nice to see more media establish a presence there though. edit: one of my favorite PeerTube…

> The ecosystem is vibrant, healthy, and will keep growing. I'm in favour of it, and hope it does well. But at the same time, constant growth itself doesn't mean that much. There's a big difference between slow constant growth and explosive constant growth. Something can constantly grow yet still remain something most people have never heard of. I think Linux on the desktop is a reasonable example of this. The altern…

You know, Linux in general is probably the best example of this. Its success doesn't need to be defined by the desktop.

When people bring up desktop Linux, I always bring up that Linux impacts 100% of internet users because of its presence running web applications, and it impacts however many people who use Android or other Linux devices (embedded/IoT). Automotive is even a huge sector these days.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by nyolfen »

marcinzm wrote: post #54
roenxi wrote: post #37

I like PeerTube, but the really important part of the puzzle is the advertiser network. What makes YouTube special is that Google takes care of the advertising side of things and makes it easy for people to monetise. If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops.

>If Silicon Valley continues to drift into ideological activism, at some point a hugely profitable opportunity to set up a new advertising network develops. YouTube started moderating it's content more because advertisers asked for it. No large advertiser wants to be shown next to a neo-nazi video.

you have your eyes closed if you think they're only censoring the worst kinds of content, like nazis. videos have been taken down for e.g. criticizing lockdowns. it has moved well into policing acceptable thought.

Re: PeerTube v3

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Post by [deleted] »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #8
Vaslo wrote: post #4

This seems extremely relevant given everything going on. Do we have to worry about the same deplatforming and data tracking as we see on other media sites? Asking because I just don’t know - I don’t want to hop over just to have the same problems.

So will PeerTube just become a tool for extremism? Or is that a feature? Are humans actually ready for the internet? I am not so sure. Just visited parler, and imagine a whole world filled with bat shit. Crazy, right?

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