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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#991

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I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

He literally told people to stay peaceful...

Yes, in the tweets that stayed up.

This a big reason why I dislike censorship. It distorts everything, and removes evidence.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#992

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>I think it will have some negative 2nd/3rd order effects. that they haven't yet realized. This is correct. The type of person that stormed the capitol will perceive this as an escalation. I’m sure that’s not what we need, but I’m also sure that there is no good way out of this mess.

> The type of person that stormed the capitol will perceive this as an escalation. One can argue that this type of person would potentially perceive any action (or inaction) as an escalation. That doesn't mean that action shouldn't be taken.

Look at the utterly insane mental gymnastics you're engaging in. "People are angry at constantly being treated with contempt and having their elected representative smeared. Let's impeach him again, call all his supporters terrorists, and ban them from communicating!" People like you and the Democrats seem desperate to cause more violence instead of de-escalating the situation with a peaceful, dignified exit. It's a shame that you care more about "owning Trump" one more time rather than promoting peace, but I'm not surprised.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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I am loving people who don't understand that they are literally supporting billionaires while claiming to be anti-corporate resistance. Definition of Liberal used to be: "Willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas. Relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise." I am still a…

Those liberals are now considered conservatives/libertarians. I want no part of the current form of "liberalism", if it means censoring other people like these companies have consistently done. Free speech is a principle to me, not just some "law".

How do you feel about all the whataboutism coming from the people who held a violent insurrection on our nations Capitol?

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#994

IMHO there are things that are much more scary than some trespassing into government buildings or a riot. The possibility that we might slide backwards from traditionally liberal ideas spawned from the enlightenment is utterly terrifying. And we are rapidly heading in that direction.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25692834.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#995
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IMHO there are things that are much more scary than some trespassing into government buildings or a riot. The possibility that we might slide backwards from traditionally liberal ideas spawned from the enlightenment is utterly terrifying. And we are rapidly heading in that direction.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Personal attacks are not ok on HN, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. If you break the site guidelines as egregiously as this or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25698892 again, we will have to ban you. We're trying to avoid hell on this site, which kind of requires not jumping straight into it.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#996
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It sounds like he tweeted new things today that they considered breaching their earlier warning? Does anyone know what those tweets were? Edit: Oh, damn, I had just seen the Twitter Safety and just assumed that this was linking to that, not to a separate blogpost. As many people have pointed out it was for these two tweets: On January 8, 2021, President Donald J. Trump tweeted: “The 75,000,000 great American Patriots…

They are purging a lot of conservative accounts.

You've been using HN primarily for political battle, which we ban accounts for, regardless of which politics they're battling for or against. We have to, because doing that destroys the curious conversation HN is supposed to exist for (see [1] for more explanation). I've therefore banned the account. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. The rules are here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#997

Donald Trump should never have been blocked from Twitter. Where is free speech? Wake up people!

> Donald Trump should never have been blocked from Twitter Maybe, maybe not. Twitter is free to do what you think they should not. > Where is free speech? It's what Twitter exercises when it decides what content and content sources to relay. Free speech isn't an entitlement to someone else's resources to amplify your speech.

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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#999

Donald Trump should never have been blocked from Twitter. Where is free speech? Wake up people!

> Donald Trump should never have been blocked from Twitter Maybe, maybe not. Twitter is free to do what you think they should not. > Where is free speech? It's what Twitter exercises when it decides what content and content sources to relay. Free speech isn't an entitlement to someone else's resources to amplify your speech.

> Maybe, maybe not. Twitter is free to do what you think they should not.

Donald Trump is free to do what you think they should not.

> It's what Twitter exercises when it decides what content and content sources to relay.

And now Twitter is doomed to fail.

> Free speech isn't an entitlement to someone else's resources to amplify your speech.

"Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The term "freedom of expression" is sometimes used synonymously but includes any act of seeking, receiving, and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used." [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#1000

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Regardless of your beliefs, today is a sad day for free speech.

Would you agree that there are many ways to deliver a message? Do you think verbally insulting my friends to the point where they can no longer communicate with me is freedom of speech?. Things are not black and white

I agree. Verbally assaulting, belittling someone, or having a physical fight never has and never will solve any problems. However, that would only be the case if we lived in a perfect world. History tells us otherwise. Also, how someone delivers their message is more deeply rooted into a persons upbringing/nurturing and life experiences than being told how to act. I personally have a couple friends that I refer to as short-fused, they tend to loose their temper in no time and over things I would think are unimportant. However, I’ve accepted them as friends because I know that those small spurts of rage do not represent their genuine friendship with me (this is from knowing them over 10 years). I’m 40 at this point and something I’ve come to realize is that every person has a cut-off age, after which, no matter what you try to teach or tell them, they will not be able to change their way of life (specifically how they interact). Does that mean that they’re a bad person? I wouldn’t know until I am personally able to engage into an interaction with him or her. My wisdom has confirmed to never judge a book by its cover and that was not the case when I was in high school. My few cents. Happy new year bud!
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