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Post by throw0101a »

mckirk wrote: post #196
throw0101a wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unfortunately, in social media, everybody gets to be an expert! How can the average person tell? Good book by Tom Nichols: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Expertise Not anything recent: > There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the fals…

I'm a bit irked by these 'always been a thing'-responses. Yes, it may be true that the thing (whatever it may be) is not a recent development, but that doesn't mean that it couldn't have steadily gotten worse over time and might eventually reach a tipping point that would be worth worrying about.

From Fantasyland it's gone back and forth over the decades.

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Post by netsharc »

feralimal wrote: post #150
netsharc wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are literally there to ensure you get it wrong! They really are. They are part of the governance structure - they will not tell you the way out of this situation, or give you good information. > Verify everything you accept as true Hah... so, did you verify this stuff about MSM being a force to mislead? The problem with the Internet nowadays is, it's already like a Library of Babel [0], if you want to have you…

> Hah... so, did you verify this stuff about MSM being a force to mislead? Its obvious. If you look at what is presented, you are given lots of claims, but very few facts. Its just a load of evidence-free noise. What's to evaluate?! Seriously, look a little deeper at almost any article. There is no actual information there. The question you should ask - critically - is how do I know this to be true? And if you don't…

I also get the "you're posting too fast" messages...

Sarcasm follows: But oooh yeah, it's a giant conspiracy, everyone's out to suppress your views!

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Post by wtfiswiththis »

A couple things stick out from the legislative and violent coup attempt at the Capitol. The legislative side looked doomed to fail so Trump rallied his peers and incited them with words like trial by combat via Rudy Giuliani.

1. Pence was pressured before and DURING the siege. Trump called once his followers were besieging the building to pressure Pence to overthrow the certified votes of this nation. His rhetoric was 100% responsible for the crowd's focus on Pence.

2. Trump directly pointed at the media at the rally and labeled them again as the enemy. During the siege all sorts of media members were violently assaulted. With the mob labeling them antifa as a means to rationalize mob violence against them. An AP reporter sustained a beating for several minutes as the crowd shouted for his death.

The doors on the Capitol building had "murder the media" scrawled on it by Trump/GOP's supporters. They chanted for Pence's hanging at the same doors.

This was a coup attempt coordinated and driven by sitting Republicans and the President of the USA. There is a direct line to be drawn from their actions to the results seen in the Capitol. The coup barely failed.

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Post by ModernMech »

jvreagan wrote: post #198
ModernMech wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to pay more attention to what both sides were arguing. In 2016, side A was arguing that the inputs to the election (voter opinions) were manipulated by foreign agents. This claim was 100% proven true by the Mueller report. Whether this actually changed the results of the election is impossible to say (I am of the opinion it was Comey's announcement 11 days before the election which tipped a close election to…

Hilary Clinton used the term "stolen election" throughout the last four years, including 2020. That's not an input, it's an output. People - including the media - called Trump an illegitimate President for 4 years. That's not an input, it's an output. Perhaps you should be the one paying more attention instead of getting defensive when your hypocrisy is exposed. You can try to spin it or rationalize it all you want,…

> both sides are behaving the same.

Literally only one side stormed the capitol during a joint session of congress in an attempt to overthrow the election, so "behaving the same" is stretched pretty far here. By pretending both sides are the same, it would appear you are the one spinning and rationalizing.

I mean, let's not forget that Donald Trump of all people called into question the results of his own win in 2016 by claiming that 3 million people voted illegally, and that people were being bussed to New Hampshire to vote against him. He even formed a commission to investigate this "fraud"! So any impressions that the vote was illegitimate were flamed by the winner himself!

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Post by rufus_foreman »

falcolas wrote: post #208
rufus_foreman wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gallup poll numbers are at https://news.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.as... . I don't know that "people" in the original argument equates to "universally", but the only institutions that a majority of people have either a "Great deal" or "Quite a lot" of trust in are the medical system (just barely, 51%), the military (72%), and small business (75%). So small business is trusted more than the military,…

Technically, they primarily recommend not chewing gum at all. The “9 out of 10 doctors agree the 10th is an idiot” is a meme.

The meme is 4 out of 5. So yeah, most of them say sugarless gum, then there's the ones that ignore the rules of the poll and say don't chew gum. Those aren't the dentists we are talking about.

There really are dentists out there that will tell you that if you chew gum, the sugared stuff is what you want. Not a lot of them, but probably about the same percentage as people that have a great deal of trust in congress or television news.

Hard to believe, but these people exist.

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Post by MauranKilom »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #176
_y5hn wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lawyers refused to lie in court, because their "evidence" was just the lies and empty allegations, which would be a crime to present in court. So they were summarily dismissed, by Trump appointed judges no less.

Then why did they file the cases? Did they not realize that they would need to present evidence under oath?

Because they were paid to?

I'm not sure what you are trying to imply. Yes, they were going to have to present evidence. They didn't have any, and that's also why they didn't actually allege fraud. And that is why the cases were thrown out.

If you're asking why anyone paid them to file unwinnable cases: So there would be lawsuits to point to, and for the (minuscule) opportunity to have a (Trump-appointed) judge create some kind of win (again to point to it).

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Post by Nerwesta »

flowerlad wrote: post #188
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #76

Like probably most people in the discussion here, I think I’m smarter than the average person, and can discern the truth from multiple conflicting claims. But a little introspection shows me that no, this isn’t really true. I’m not hunting down original sources for everything I think I know, I’m mostly relying on gatekeepers (experts) to tell me what is true. Unfortunately, in social media, everybody gets to be an ex…

> Our current technology allowing any kind of garbage to be amplified to the masses is making things worse, not better. By "our current technology" you mean social media. If you need evidence that it is time to do something about social media, consider this: 28% of Americans believe that Bill Gates wants to use vaccines to implant microchips in people - with the figure rising to 44% among Republicans. See: https://ww…

> Before social media these kinds of nonsense would never spread, but now so many people believe this kind of nonsense that it has become a huge threat to society.

Are you sure about that ? The Red Scare, the Cold War, nuclear weapons on Irak, and so on and so on ... I'm pretty sure a said nonsense would find a way to spread just like history showed us in the past.

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Post by mam2 »

blakesterz wrote: post #58
ansible wrote: post #43

I'm glad they halted that. But it reduces the common area we can even discuss anything going on this week in politics. Taking a step back... We've got these two sides. Regardless of the merits, each side believes they know the truth, and that the other side is delusional. And it is easy enough to engage with your media outlets of choice, and get your beliefs reinforced. How can we have a meaningful discussion as a na…

> We've got these two sides. Regardless of the merits, each side believes they know the truth, and that the other side is delusional. You're partially right. We have at least two sides. One side is CLEARLY delusional. Fueled by conspiracy theories and lies. We also have other sides, but the two sides that get the most attention are the only sides that matter. We have one side that is most definitely delusional, other…

Its delusion only if you think truth matters.

For them, "group strength" and tribalism is more important, so their behaviour is not is not delusional within that paradigm.

Thats what no one understands

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Post by TameAntelope »

koolba wrote: post #184
TameAntelope wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what "flavor" of garbage is "hang Mike Pence" exactly?

The kind that's so disgusting that it'd be asinine to infer that my comment refers to this specific instance, rather than the overarching topic of Twitter (and the rest of the social media cabal) controlling what constitutes acceptable discourse.

And yet, only this flavor is actually being removed, so it’s almost as if you have no point at all and are just riding a wave of populist indignation, entirely ungrounded in reality...

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Post by leereeves »

flowerlad wrote: post #188
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #76

Like probably most people in the discussion here, I think I’m smarter than the average person, and can discern the truth from multiple conflicting claims. But a little introspection shows me that no, this isn’t really true. I’m not hunting down original sources for everything I think I know, I’m mostly relying on gatekeepers (experts) to tell me what is true. Unfortunately, in social media, everybody gets to be an ex…

> Our current technology allowing any kind of garbage to be amplified to the masses is making things worse, not better. By "our current technology" you mean social media. If you need evidence that it is time to do something about social media, consider this: 28% of Americans believe that Bill Gates wants to use vaccines to implant microchips in people - with the figure rising to 44% among Republicans. See: https://ww…

> 28% of Americans believe that Bill Gates wants to use vaccines to implant microchips in people

The craziest part is, the Gates Foundation did fund something very close to that: not microchips, but Biocompatible near-infrared quantum dots delivered to the skin by microneedle patches record vaccination.

It's essentially a tiny tattoo visible only in infrared light to track who has been vaccinated. So that rumor is more of a misunderstanding (of the difference between quantum dots and microchips) than misinformation.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/invisible-ink-cou...

https://stm.sciencemag.org/content/11/523/eaay7162

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