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Re: FBI Seeking Information Related to Violent Activity at the U.S. Capitol Building

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Post by ineedasername »

weixiyen wrote: post #34
_y5hn wrote: post #10

The implications of this event keeps growing. New video shows Capitol riot was way worse than we thought https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-99178053752

The lives of congress men and women were undoubtedly at risk. I think this directly contributed to Twitter and many other tech companies clamping down on the mediums of communication for radical Trump supporters. Tech platforms fear revenge from congress for enabling what took place, and it suddenly became a no-brainer business decision to ban Trump from social media.

I think these platforms also saw the potential for things to get orders of magnitude worse, very quickly, as we approach innauguration. Hints of it are already there in the less dominant and more permissive platforms. Maybe they figure it's better to err on the side of caution for 2 weeks and then reassess the situation.

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Post by IfOnlyYouKnew »

Animats wrote: post #33

The one that's really wanted is this guy.[1] This is someone in the Senate chamber with zip-ties. This is not the retired USAF officer who was arrested with zip-ties.[2] The person in [1] is thinner, in good shape, and wearing completely different tactical gear, along with a Punisher logo on an American flag. [1] https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/protesters-enter-the-se... [2] https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox5d…

Eric Munchel: https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1347783405677776897

And, yes, that photo is chilling. The zip-ties, together with the functional gallows they previously erected outside, puts the lie to all claims of peacefulness.

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Post by nostromo »

Animats wrote: post #33

The one that's really wanted is this guy.[1] This is someone in the Senate chamber with zip-ties. This is not the retired USAF officer who was arrested with zip-ties.[2] The person in [1] is thinner, in good shape, and wearing completely different tactical gear, along with a Punisher logo on an American flag. [1] https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/protesters-enter-the-se... [2] https://images.foxtv.com/static.fox5d…

So go tell the FBI. Don’t turn HN into a Reddit Boston Bomber fiasco.

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Post by dguaraglia »

flycaliguy wrote: post #20
optimalsolver wrote: post #4

My favorite of these guys was West Virginia state legislator Derrick Evans: >The video shows a crowd surging through a Capitol door, past security, while an alarm repeatedly blares. As Evans enters an area called National Statuary Hall he celebrates and states his own name: “We’re in! We’re in! Derrick Evans is in the Capitol!” https://wvmetronews.com/2021/01/09/derrick-evans-resigns-w-v...

I don’t think these people had or have any interest in being anonymous. They are standing up for what they believe in. A public display is an important part of this all, it’s part of their statement as Americans in America.

They believe in overthrowing democracy to put their gun in power. That's a crime.

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Post by res0nat0r »

tedunangst wrote: post #49
sillysaurusx wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, how is the 14th amendment related? EDIT: Thank you! I didn't mean to spawn a big subthread, but I'm happy to have learned that today. I somehow missed that there were multiple sections.

> No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the…

This fool has already resigned too: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/09/politics/derrick-evans-west-v...

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Post by xkeysc0re »

musicale wrote: post #51
erdos4d wrote: post #28

I know this one guy who lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue who definitely had something to do with it. He's kinda orange and has small hands. I would make a report, but I have a feeling it won't do any good:(

Not a lawyer, but if he literally instructed the crowd to "march into the capitol chambers" then it seems like there might be a case, but if he just said something like "march to the capitol" it doesn't sound like enough to prove responsibility. Similarly "fight" could be claimed as a metaphor (e.g. college fight songs) rather than a literal incitement to violence. Etc..

Not sure if "Stop the steal" can be taken figuratively anymore

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Post by sol_invictus »

ohjeez wrote: post #16
ffggvv wrote: post #8

funny how all the #resistance and #defundthepolice folks are actively working with the feds and law enforcement and cheering them on

How is that odd? I want justice. Protect the weak, help those who are in trouble, prevent violence against the innocent. That means helping government agencies do their job, when I can. It also means ensuring that the people who we ask to protect us actually DO protect us. I see no conflict.

Having different sets of principles for different groups of people is what one calls partisanship; and partisanship is a very critical problem in the US right now.

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Post by adrr »

_y5hn wrote: post #10

The implications of this event keeps growing. New video shows Capitol riot was way worse than we thought https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-99178053752

They setup gallows, had zip tie restraints and talked both on social media and in-person about executing government officials. Maps of the underground tunnels were also shared according to NPR. It really looks like a legitimate attempt at a coup.

https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tall...

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Post by slothtrop »

rayiner wrote: post #26
DeepYogurt wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny how critics of #defundthepolice willing ignore that it has always meant #reappropriatefundsfromthepolicetosocialservicesbetterabletohandlenonviolentissues

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol... > Yes, We Mean Literally Abolish the Police It’s not some unjustified fearmongering. Anarchists literally took over part of Seattle. At my university, protestors are demanding to completely dismantle the campus police: https://www.wbez.org/stories/northwesterns-president-and-stu...

University antics operate in their own bubble.

A fraction want abolition, but they'd also plainly say so. "Defund" by definition doesn't mean abolish.

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Post by zepto »

TeaDrunk wrote: post #53
zepto wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some people mean that, others mean literal abolition: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colin-kaepernick-abolish-police...

That very same essay literally means the other hashtag so I'm confused: "By abolishing policing and prisons, not only can we eliminate white supremacist establishments, but we can create space for budgets to be reinvested directly into communities to address mental health needs, homelessness and houselessness, access to education, and job creation as well as community-based methods of accountability . This is a futur…

There is a very big distinction between some diversion of funding and responsibility away from police towards those issues and abolishing the police.

Anyone who says it doesn’t mean abolish the police is ignoring the fact that for many activists it does mean abolish the police.

The hashtag does not imply abolishing the police, but that is exactly what defund the police means to many people.

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