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Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by tetrometal »

mullingitover wrote: post #135
tetrometal wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is precisely the expertly spun narrative I can watch on CNN or MSNBC. It's wonderfully constructed, people get paid a lot to do it. It's also just a lie. To fully half of the American population, and a rapidly growing proportion, this is a bald-faced lie. So please, hold the speculative narrative. Don't repeat talking heads to me. Show receipts. Demonstrate with evidence that Trump tried to get his rally to inva…

Show the receipts that the election was stolen before you decide to broadcast that claim to millions. Trump's legal team had the chance to do that in court dozens of times, and failed to do so every time. He took the same discredited claims to a massive crowd in the capitol, and we see the result. > You can't conveniently ignore the much worse riots that took place last summer as you try to spin your crazed narrative…

> Show the receipts that the election was stolen before you decide to broadcast that claim to millions.

Again, look at Matt Braynard's work. It's compelling, and has been completely ignored. [1] The right isn't pissed because they think they know fraud happened, they're pissed because the evidence hasn't been examined.

> Trump's legal team had the chance to do that in court dozens of times

False. Trump's legal team brought a handful of cases before the courts, most of which were thrown out on procedural grounds without looking at the merit, which again is the reason the right is rightfully pissed.

Many more cases were presented to the courts by third parties and thrown out. Some because they were batshit, some on procedural grounds, very few on their merits. The media has been presenting those cases as "Trump's cases being thrown out" in order to make him appear incompetent, but that is just more spin. That you bought into, apparently.

> attempted to kidnap and execute the executive line of succession.

More speculation presented as assertion.

[1] https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/matt_braynards_...

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by franklampard »

mc32 wrote: post #75
mullingitover wrote: post #70

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> while censoring the 50% rest of the political spectrum Let's be clear: moderating/banning the accounts of a man and his supporters who invited tens of thousands of people to the United States Capitol, spent hours lying to them about the results of the election, and then weaponized them in an attempt to overthrow the US government is not a case of Twitter crossing some sort of threshold into tyranny. A grave crime w…

Ransacking through the capitol like imbeciles was very ill advised, but that’s not how a coup is executed. You need dedicated backers [cause oriented willing to sacrifice] high up in the armed forces as well as the intelligentsia. Rag tag groups do not execute coups. That’s a willful exaggeration and further evidence of how narratives tilt people’s thinking. This is the media and social media calling it that -they ca…

> high up in the armed Command-in-Chief not high enough?

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by jimkleiber »

scollet wrote: post #89
mc32 wrote: post #4

Given how given to certain narratives some of these services are, I’m not surprised and I would predict more governments will do similar things pre-election. Now of course most of the governments that would do this would be authoritarian and would look to control their own narrative, I think this illustrates how unbalanced and agenda-driven these media and social graph services have become who bring in foreign values…

This is a watershed election for Uganda. In some small hyperbole Uganda could become the next Rwanda or the next Sudan, depending on whether or not the incumbent is unseated. I would focus on the regional peoples' politics rather than the technocracy or American politics. I firmly believe your thrust is irrelevant to the core issue, if not solely for the immediacy of a democratic threat. I'm not an expert on this, bu…

I appreciate you pointing this out. The article says very little about the political context of this election and Uganda in general.

From what I understand, not being an expert either but having spent quite a few months in Uganda in the last few years, Museveni has been the president since 1986 and brought a lot of stability to the country, aka brought peace after lots of conflict under Idi Amin. Some people have expressed gratitude for that and fear that Uganda will go back into the violence it faced before and yet seem very tired of the way Museveni has been running the country and want new leadership. Recently, there has been stronger opposition and in the last few years, a popular musician, Bobi Wine, decided to get involved in politics and declared to run for president.

I imagine, if I were in government, I might be afraid of the US, China, Russia, or other countries bringing their political influence into the country through the internet. I might fear revolutions like the ones that happened in Tunisia and Egypt and other countries. I may also just fear my own citizens and what they want. It's hard for us in the US to know how much of the political discourse here is from the citizens vs external sources vs government sources, and I could imagine even harder sometimes in other countries to figure that out.

That's the tricky part with this decision, it could be to stop foreign influences, it could be to stop local influences, it could be to amplify government influences, or a combination of all three.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by mc32 »

potato wrote: post #155
michaelmrose wrote: post #147

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A few of my favorite things that were brought to the capital. Zip ties, several guns, 11 molotov cocktails, 2 pipe bombs. Guliani also asked Tuberville to object to every state which if acted on would have required at least 11 days of 12 hour sessions with an armed angry mob outside. When they finally attacked it took hours to authorize the national guard to defend the capital giving the mob maximum time to terrorize…

Turns out all you need for a coup is about 70 lightly armed boomers and a few zip ties.

An ISIS technical has more firepower than this. Oooooh 11 molotovs.... more than that were used in a number of demos this past summer...

It’s a willful exaggeration and narrative driving.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by tetrometal »

michaelmrose wrote: post #154
trident5000 wrote: post #141

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Anyway, my point here is not to defend trump. Just to point out that both sides caused riots over the past 6 months with leaders egging them on and 1 side was penalized.

Take your fine people on both sides argument somewhere else. One side acknowledged that people had a legitimate reason to protest cops offing black people while specifically discouraging rioting. Another side told people that their country was being stolen from them and only they could stop it before telling them to go to the capital.

> Another side told people that their country was being stolen from them and only they could stop it before telling them to go to the capital.

Was it or wasn't it being stolen? Do you have a debunking of Matt Braynard's argument? [1]

I presume not, since one hasn't been presented, because the evidence hasn't been examined or litigated, which is why hundreds of thousands of people went to the capital.

What should the American voter do if they believe there's a chance that their election was unfair? Sit it out? Would you?

Stop spreading the "very fine people" misinformation.

[1] https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/matt_braynards_...

[2] https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2019/03/21/trump_...

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by guscost »

mullingitover wrote: post #109
trident5000 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really a fan. But I must say, he asked for a protest, not for them to storm the Capital. He probably wanted to stir it up, but never thought it would go that far. I have not seen any explicit tweets where he asked for that. The other thing I want to mention (in demonstrating the two standards) is that the dem leadership cheered on protests in the summer with battle like language which turned into far larger a…

> But I must say, he asked for a protest, not for them to storm the Capital He's not completely stupid, at least in the short term. I'll give him that. The fact is, however, that he made breathtaking, wholly unfounded claims of a vast conspiracy that if you believed them would lead you to believe that a revolution was in order and completely appropriate. Then he turned them loose on the Capitol.

The “vast conspiracy” in this case is as plain as day, the furthest thing from unfounded. It is often sensationalized as “the deep state” but a more objective name is “institutionalized corruption”.

It is EVERYWHERE in this country, and if you don’t see it by now, you are probably never gonna see it.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by mullingitover »

trident5000 wrote: post #176
mullingitover wrote: post #167

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I'm not watching any more debunked conspiracy theories, thanks. They've had their numerous days in court.

And here is the issue and why the sides cannot understand whats going on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sealioning

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by michaelmrose »

tetrometal wrote: post #139
mullingitover wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I must say, he asked for a protest, not for them to storm the Capital He's not completely stupid, at least in the short term. I'll give him that. The fact is, however, that he made breathtaking, wholly unfounded claims of a vast conspiracy that if you believed them would lead you to believe that a revolution was in order and completely appropriate. Then he turned them loose on the Capitol.

You're just making assertions and hoping that the zeitgeist continues to agree with you. It's easy for the winning side to trot out a bunch of people that support their position (and if you try suggesting R's are on the same side as Trump supporters, then you're more divorced from reality than I feared). Trump supporters don't care. They want specific concerns addressed. And frankly, they should be. Every election in…

There is no reason whatsoever to believe this election was stolen beyond unverified fabricated nonsense spread by the loser and his cronies and amplified by social media. Each state has measures in place to ensure a fair election takes place including, canvassing, the recourse of requesting a recount or pursuing litigation.

All these things already happened and it was proven over and over that there was no substantial proof of widespread fraud. If your fellow citizens cannot discern the difference between social media and reality then this does not create an obligation for the opposing side that scales upwards towards infinity with their level of insanity.

Its deeply ironic that before the election around 2/3 of republicans believed our elections were free and fair and now instead of concluding that their objections are grounded in bad faith you believe that the democrats didn't do enough to prove to their opponents that they didn't cheat. You have reversed the burden of proof and I reject your assertion. The burden of proof always lies with he would would assert a crime has been done not upon the accused to prove a negative. The alternative is utter nonsense.

Incidentally if we look at an actual source

https://morningconsult.com/form/tracking-voter-trust-in-elec...

10% of democrats believe we didn't have a fair election, 44% of independents, and a whopping 78% of republicans. On the overall ~2/3 of Americans trust our election was free and fair. The 1/3 will more or less be convinced by nothing as their feelings aren't based on reality.

These people will by and large just have to go through the next 4-16 years of Democratic control thinking the Democrats, the women, and the minorities are stealing their country.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by roenxi »

mullingitover wrote: post #109
trident5000 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not really a fan. But I must say, he asked for a protest, not for them to storm the Capital. He probably wanted to stir it up, but never thought it would go that far. I have not seen any explicit tweets where he asked for that. The other thing I want to mention (in demonstrating the two standards) is that the dem leadership cheered on protests in the summer with battle like language which turned into far larger a…

> But I must say, he asked for a protest, not for them to storm the Capital He's not completely stupid, at least in the short term. I'll give him that. The fact is, however, that he made breathtaking, wholly unfounded claims of a vast conspiracy that if you believed them would lead you to believe that a revolution was in order and completely appropriate. Then he turned them loose on the Capitol.

Vast electoral interference conspiracies are an old tactic at this point. Impeachment is generally a more favoured response than revolution. Neither the conspiracy nor the resolution make sense, but that isn't a big deal in politics.

It is a stupid conspiracy, the gap in the popular vote is overwhelming and Trump was only ever going to get in on electoral college technicalities. But this meme that Trump is the first one to launch serious claims at the electoral system is misinformation. This is a direct mimic of the Democrat response to 2016.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by vimy »

EdwardMSmith wrote: post #178
vimy wrote: post #165

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They weren't armed, they had to pass the secret service checks to get to the Trump rally area. Then marched straight from there to the capitol. Maybe there were some guns from others that didn't come from the rally, I don't know. I only know the only one that used a gun was the capitol police on an unarmed protestor. She was shot without warning while trying to climb through a door window. We don't know if the bombs…

This is horrible: https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1347749675777011714...

It is but I think my point still stands?
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