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Re: Twitter Confirms It Halted 'Hang Mike Pence' as a Trending Topic

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Post by netsharc »

feralimal wrote: post #150
netsharc wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They are literally there to ensure you get it wrong! They really are. They are part of the governance structure - they will not tell you the way out of this situation, or give you good information. > Verify everything you accept as true Hah... so, did you verify this stuff about MSM being a force to mislead? The problem with the Internet nowadays is, it's already like a Library of Babel [0], if you want to have you…

> Hah... so, did you verify this stuff about MSM being a force to mislead? Its obvious. If you look at what is presented, you are given lots of claims, but very few facts. Its just a load of evidence-free noise. What's to evaluate?! Seriously, look a little deeper at almost any article. There is no actual information there. The question you should ask - critically - is how do I know this to be true? And if you don't…

Hmm, how do you differentiate between claims and facts? What are facts other than just things where you can verify? Where you can think "Ok, I agree that this is true". Like 2 + 2 = 4. We probably can both verify this, so that's a fact. How about e = mc2 ? Well, it's stood the test of time and many physics professors saying what it means, so to me this is also a fact. Same with the fact that the earth is spherical; but if you talk to a flat-earther, they'll start saying all sorts of nonsense (at least to me) because they don't believe the hundreds of years of research, and "want to see it for themselves", and what they "see" is that the earth is flat (because they have confirmation bias)

Yesterday MSM reported live as Trump supporters attacked the Capitol. I see that as factual information, there were thousands at a Trump rally nearby, presumably because they wanted to hear their leader talk; and nobody's said these people dispersed and a bunch of others came from the bushes...

The media also said "x thousand more people died due to Covid-19 yesterday", here I do have implicit trust that the reporting is correct, then again they're just reporting numbers from government agencies. TBH I'm not that invested in this that I need to proof whether the number is correct or not, but that's the thing isn't it; a Covid-denier wants to think Covid is a lie, and therefore the number of deaths is a lie, because there's something in it for them, maybe it's because their business is currently shut down and their bank account is being drained and they're going to lose their house and go hungry soon..

Re: Twitter Confirms It Halted 'Hang Mike Pence' as a Trending Topic

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Post by throw0101a »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #76

Like probably most people in the discussion here, I think I’m smarter than the average person, and can discern the truth from multiple conflicting claims. But a little introspection shows me that no, this isn’t really true. I’m not hunting down original sources for everything I think I know, I’m mostly relying on gatekeepers (experts) to tell me what is true. Unfortunately, in social media, everybody gets to be an ex…

> Unfortunately, in social media, everybody gets to be an expert! How can the average person tell?

Good book by Tom Nichols:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Expertise

Not anything recent:

> There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.

* “A Cult of Ignorance” by Isaac Asimov, Newsweek, January 21, 1980, p. 19.

* PDF: https://media.aphelis.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/ASIMOV_...

'Special' thinking has been part of the American DNA since the beginning (Jamestown, Puritans/Pilgrims):

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasyland:_How_America_Went_...

Re: Twitter Confirms It Halted 'Hang Mike Pence' as a Trending Topic

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Post by _y5hn »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #180
_y5hn wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hell will freeze over first. Trump will not show at inauguration, he has not acknowledged Biden as the next President or that fraud was insignificant in the election. Anyways, whatever he says, he's got zero credibility, follows the most pathological path of psychopathy, though is expert in massively duping people for his own crimes and frauds. Though, he's so bad and incompetent in everything else, he relies on enab…

He has said he will not attend the inauguration. He has said there will be an orderly transition of power, so that implies he acknowledges Biden as the president-elect, or at least realizes that he's out of challenges. True that he has not disavowed the fraud claims, and probably never will.

1. He didn't attend Capitol, but urged his followers to storm it "peacefully" while extorting Congress.

2. He's always lying.

3) He implies nothing, at least nothing predictable.

4) True, he still keeps lying about fraud even though he alleged fraud long before the election process even (before summer). He used anchors and primed his base for months on this. Even got underlings to sabotage effectiveness of the US Postal Service.

What he did agree to was "orderly transition" of power, and he most probably has this in mind (another prime):

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pompeo+%22to+second+Trump+administ...

Re: Twitter Confirms It Halted 'Hang Mike Pence' as a Trending Topic

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Post by koolba »

TameAntelope wrote: post #101
koolba wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Our current technology allowing any kind of garbage to be amplified to the masses is making things worse, not better. And now our current technology owners have decided to only let one flavor of garbage be amplified to the masses.

And what "flavor" of garbage is "hang Mike Pence" exactly?

The kind that's so disgusting that it'd be asinine to infer that my comment refers to this specific instance, rather than the overarching topic of Twitter (and the rest of the social media cabal) controlling what constitutes acceptable discourse.

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Post by ModernMech »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #176
_y5hn wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lawyers refused to lie in court, because their "evidence" was just the lies and empty allegations, which would be a crime to present in court. So they were summarily dismissed, by Trump appointed judges no less.

Then why did they file the cases? Did they not realize that they would need to present evidence under oath?

So people like you would argue that the judges refused to hear any evidence.

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Post by itsyaboi »

pembrook wrote: post #161
jimbokun wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. I live in Pittsburgh, and we recently had the Tree of Life Synagogue shooting. There were also people being threatened along the route of a Black Lives Matter protest, who just happened to be there and did not join in enthusiastically enough, in the eyes of the marching protesters. No one was injured, but from the videos it seemed very close to getting out of hand. (Marchers coming off the street to verba…

It seems you spend a lot of time watching sensational news media and not a lot of time looking at actual data (don’t feel bad, it’s a trap I’ve fallen into before). Look at any chart of violence in the US, it’s a steady downward slope over the past 30 years. There’s never been a safer time to be alive: https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-...

https://www.toonpool.com/user/128241/files/on_average_361368...

Don’t feel bad, it’s a mistake we've all made before.

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Post by neogodless »

ipsocannibal wrote: post #93
throwaway201103 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By definition if you are delusional aren't you unaware of it?

Only if you truely believe in the delusion. I don't think most of the fascist rioters truely believe there was any election fraud. I think they needed a public rationalization in order to radicalize tacit sympathizers. Being delusional is more social acceptable and less alarming than being an out and out violent racist insurrectionist.

While I have no way of knowing if that's true, it's not too hard to take a few flaws in how our perception works[0] and a starting point to get to believing in widespread election fraud.

1. I'm a Republican because of policy X.

2. I'm a person that thinks carefully about facts and reason.

3. Trump is the Republican candidate -> President.

4. I voted for the Republican. I must have done that because of #2 (and not just #1.)

5. Trump speaks the truth - he speaks for the people, people like me.

6. Trump believes election fraud is a problem. Combine #4 and #2 and the linked perceptual flaws of selective focus, imagining that election fraud could happen, allowing myths/stories to guide my responses to the things I read... plus I'm carefully thinking about facts and reason, and I voted for Trump, and most of the people in my social network also voted for Trump... it must be the plurality of the nation. My peers are also carefully thinking about facts and reason, and I'm sure the news networks I follow do as well...

This is super simplified and skipping about a thousand steps, and yet, it's really not hard to see almost anyone getting somewhere they never thought they'd end up after years of reading and listening to mostly facts that agree with what Trump tells his believers.

That's probably easier to believe happened than "I want to be an extremist and I want to violently attack Congress when they attempt to certify an election, even though it was a legitimate election."

[0] https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/pieces-mind/201208/f...

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Post by flowerlad »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #76

Like probably most people in the discussion here, I think I’m smarter than the average person, and can discern the truth from multiple conflicting claims. But a little introspection shows me that no, this isn’t really true. I’m not hunting down original sources for everything I think I know, I’m mostly relying on gatekeepers (experts) to tell me what is true. Unfortunately, in social media, everybody gets to be an ex…

> Our current technology allowing any kind of garbage to be amplified to the masses is making things worse, not better.

By "our current technology" you mean social media. If you need evidence that it is time to do something about social media, consider this:

28% of Americans believe that Bill Gates wants to use vaccines to implant microchips in people - with the figure rising to 44% among Republicans. See: https://www.bbc.com/news/52847648

Before social media these kinds of nonsense would never spread, but now so many people believe this kind of nonsense that it has become a huge threat to society.

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Post by ModernMech »

matwood wrote: post #70
amluto wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try to steer people to the media outlets that are still mostly balanced? NPR comes to mind. Or encourage people to read a leftish and a rightish source? And encourage people to think for themselves? It would also be nice, albeit maybe very hard, to encourage even the less balanced media to try to speak to everyone and to write critically and honestly. For example, I personally lean left, but I find the New York Times…

> NPR comes to mind. Haha, you realize that the right considers NPR Marxist propaganda?

And actual Marxists find NPR a little to liberal for their taste.

Re: Twitter Confirms It Halted 'Hang Mike Pence' as a Trending Topic

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Post by _y5hn »

flowerlad wrote: post #188
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #76

Like probably most people in the discussion here, I think I’m smarter than the average person, and can discern the truth from multiple conflicting claims. But a little introspection shows me that no, this isn’t really true. I’m not hunting down original sources for everything I think I know, I’m mostly relying on gatekeepers (experts) to tell me what is true. Unfortunately, in social media, everybody gets to be an ex…

> Our current technology allowing any kind of garbage to be amplified to the masses is making things worse, not better. By "our current technology" you mean social media. If you need evidence that it is time to do something about social media, consider this: 28% of Americans believe that Bill Gates wants to use vaccines to implant microchips in people - with the figure rising to 44% among Republicans. See: https://ww…

There are two main perpetuated methods to this:

1) Project your crimes unto your opponents (smokescreen + taking out targets).

2) Using priming, anchoring and repeating the same message exactly over and over. Ie. this is code for the "smooth transition" of power:

Pompeo Promises 'A Smooth Transition To A Second Trump Administration' (2020)

https://www.npr.org/sections/biden-transition-updates/2020/1...

Many people forget consciously. This works without social media, but the amplification may accellerate and strengthen the signal that much more when effective.

Yes, it is brainwashing techniques.

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-99178053752

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