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Re: Twitter Confirms It Halted 'Hang Mike Pence' as a Trending Topic

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Post by TameAntelope »

koolba wrote: post #97
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #76

Like probably most people in the discussion here, I think I’m smarter than the average person, and can discern the truth from multiple conflicting claims. But a little introspection shows me that no, this isn’t really true. I’m not hunting down original sources for everything I think I know, I’m mostly relying on gatekeepers (experts) to tell me what is true. Unfortunately, in social media, everybody gets to be an ex…

> Our current technology allowing any kind of garbage to be amplified to the masses is making things worse, not better. And now our current technology owners have decided to only let one flavor of garbage be amplified to the masses.

And what "flavor" of garbage is "hang Mike Pence" exactly?

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Post by beefield »

ansible wrote: post #43

I'm glad they halted that. But it reduces the common area we can even discuss anything going on this week in politics. Taking a step back... We've got these two sides. Regardless of the merits, each side believes they know the truth, and that the other side is delusional. And it is easy enough to engage with your media outlets of choice, and get your beliefs reinforced. How can we have a meaningful discussion as a na…

To me it looks like the issue is lack of "perceived respect" (more complex than that, but I use a simple word to describe whole thing) from the "other side". Now, one side would need to somehow get the other side convinced that yes, we respect you as human beings even if we disagree on some things. And that respect does not just mean nice words, but also actual policies which make people (not their opinions) thrive. Bad news is that it is not an easy task - for either side.

Due to the election results, it is now Democrats' turn to see how they can start to heal the nation. It is imperative that they see that the reason for Trump's success is not racism or misogyny of Trump's supporters. The real reason is that there are lots of people who think that their life is not good. And that needs to be fixed. Bad news again is that it is not easy. Even worse is that if you fail, escalation continues and at some point you are looking at breaking the country or even civil war.

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Post by Renaud »

ansible wrote: post #66
blakesterz wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We've got these two sides. Regardless of the merits, each side believes they know the truth, and that the other side is delusional. You're partially right. We have at least two sides. One side is CLEARLY delusional. Fueled by conspiracy theories and lies. We also have other sides, but the two sides that get the most attention are the only sides that matter. We have one side that is most definitely delusional, other…

And I do have a very strong opinion on all that. I just wanted to note that the "other side" that I'm not on, also believes basically the same thing with regards to my side.

Having an opinion you strongly believe in is not enough to make it true or right.

The republicans have espoused a dangerous ideology that not just allows but welcomes factual untruths and a worrying disconnect from rational thought.

There is a need for political parties of various philosophical bents to push and pull in different directions based on reasoned and informed decisions.

Once you give up that core grounding you basically invite fanatism and I don’t see what possible positive outcome we can expect from this.

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Post by jimbokun »

pembrook wrote: post #68
tester756 wrote: post #19

I considered trying to get visa to USA and work there, but honestly last year makes me really worried about living there is it safe to live there?

Of course it is, don’t trade the headlines. But it’s important to know your experience in the US will vary dramatically based on economic status. If you’re high income/above-average educated (which you pretty much have to be to immigrate to the US due to the overly strict/broken immigration system), there’s no better place to be. You will be able to reach the absolute peak of your potential here. 10/10, would immigra…

I disagree.

I live in Pittsburgh, and we recently had the Tree of Life Synagogue shooting.

There were also people being threatened along the route of a Black Lives Matter protest, who just happened to be there and did not join in enthusiastically enough, in the eyes of the marching protesters. No one was injured, but from the videos it seemed very close to getting out of hand. (Marchers coming off the street to verbally accost people sitting outside at a restaurant, grabbing drinks off their tables. Marching into a McDonalds and verbally harassing the manager...about something.)

And of course police going off on protesters, looking for excuses to escalate the use of force.

And with police reluctant to engage in communities where they are...unpopular...(with reason), murder rates are at their highest rates in years in many cities.

And now the unprecedented attack on the capitol.

I feel like I will get responses saying I am understating or overstating the violence from "one side" or the other. But my point is no one can deny the amount of violence is rapidly increasing, and no one really knows if it will get a lot worse before it gets better.

I wouldn't recommend anyone coming to the US right now, without a good reason.

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

pantalaimon wrote: post #63
creato wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a perfect example of why social media is a total disaster and no one should be trusting it for anything at all. There are many, many things that seem to be taken as fact on social media that are impossible to find on any reputable media source. Maybe the crowd was chanting hang Mike Pence, maybe not. I'll wait until a credible source reports it. The AP had reporters in the crowd (getting assaulted [1]), presu…

What else would they be chanting, Hang my pants ?

Or perhaps they were chanting “Boo-urns”

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Post by adrr »

amluto wrote: post #65
ansible wrote: post #43

I'm glad they halted that. But it reduces the common area we can even discuss anything going on this week in politics. Taking a step back... We've got these two sides. Regardless of the merits, each side believes they know the truth, and that the other side is delusional. And it is easy enough to engage with your media outlets of choice, and get your beliefs reinforced. How can we have a meaningful discussion as a na…

Try to steer people to the media outlets that are still mostly balanced? NPR comes to mind. Or encourage people to read a leftish and a rightish source? And encourage people to think for themselves? It would also be nice, albeit maybe very hard, to encourage even the less balanced media to try to speak to everyone and to write critically and honestly. For example, I personally lean left, but I find the New York Times…

Have you talked to these people? My mother in law calls all media “fake news”. She’s gets all her information from YouTube. She’ll sit for hours watching the shows each day. There is no convincing her. Literally believes the other should be shot. Not amount of evidence will change her mind. She’s catholic even the pope couldn’t change her beliefs.

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Post by vladTheInhaler »

ansible wrote: post #59
duxup wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know what to say to people who want someone else killed...

Almost everyone (including really terrible people) don't want people killed. That is why it is often necessary to de-humanize the enemy. We give them labels, make them not worthy of the protections of civil society, and then it is justified if they die. Because they are not people anymore.

I think your comment is being misunderstood. I interpreted it to mean that most people don't naturally have the capacity to kill others who they identify as equals, and that's why many extremist groups take steps to other their targets.

I get the sense that people are reading it to mean that the rioters at the capital hadn't been radicalized like this. Or that dehumanizing people in that way is somehow okay. Perhaps you can clarify.

I tend to believe that, thankfully, most people don't have the capacity for extreme violence at a moment's notice. It takes intense conditioning. The US military started to emphasize this [1](paywalled) after it was discovered that even during combat, while people were shooting at them, most soldiers didn't try to kill their enemy or even fire their weapon [2].

So it seems like the highest priority is to re-humanize the "normies" and "communist antifa spies" or whatever nonsense phrase these extremists are using. I have *absolutely* no idea how to do that, but it must be done.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/killing-does-not-com...

[2] https://www.historynet.com/men-against-fire-how-many-soldier...

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Post by jimbokun »

dmode wrote: post #23

Why would a Trump supporter want to “hang Mike Pence” when he has been loyal to him for 4 years and just did his constitutional duty on the 6th ? I am lost for words

Trump convinced them Pence had the power to unilaterally overthrow the election and make Trump President for a second term, so they are upset with Pence for not doing that.

Re: Twitter Confirms It Halted 'Hang Mike Pence' as a Trending Topic

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Post by dragonwriter »

koolba wrote: post #97
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #76

Like probably most people in the discussion here, I think I’m smarter than the average person, and can discern the truth from multiple conflicting claims. But a little introspection shows me that no, this isn’t really true. I’m not hunting down original sources for everything I think I know, I’m mostly relying on gatekeepers (experts) to tell me what is true. Unfortunately, in social media, everybody gets to be an ex…

> Our current technology allowing any kind of garbage to be amplified to the masses is making things worse, not better. And now our current technology owners have decided to only let one flavor of garbage be amplified to the masses.

> And now our current technology owners have decided to only let one flavor of garbage be amplified to the masses.

Stopping one particular narrow class of violent incitement is still allowing a wide variety of flavors of garbage.

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Post by throwaway201103 »

flowerlad wrote: post #13
trianglem wrote: post #8

These people are a lost cause. There was a vicious attack on an unassuming black woman in LA yesterday where more than 20 trump supporters held her down and punched and maced her. These people are terrorists and should be dealt with accordingly.

LA Times story on this: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-01-08/black-wo...

That's a very disturbing read.
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