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ACLU Counsel Warns of 'Unchecked Power' of Twitter, Facebook

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So in the interest of balance, conservative leaning apps can get away with doing whatever they want now? If left leaning apps permit the kind of violent talk that Parler does, by all means, ban those too.

So we are banning twitter then as well?

No. Twitter actually tries.

It's no secret that Parler's ethos is largely anti-moderation, that was basically their whole brand and messaging, after all.

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These companies have near monopoly control on the flow of information. Like it or not, they are the new public square. Just telling someone that's banned from Twitter, Facebook, etc., "but oh don't worry, you're still free to go downtown and hold up a sign and spread your message!", while everyone else is able to reach millions of people instantly, is not a solution, and you all know it isn't. Telling someone they can start their own website and not use Twitter, and then de-platforming the website they start, is not a solution, and you all know it isn't.

Seriously, look at the state of things. The left has decided to censor the President of the United States. They routinely censor and de-platform anyone that has differing political opinion, and they use disgusting tactics to do so, by just calling anyone that disagrees with them racist, evil, inciting violence etc., no matter how remotely those labels actually apply. Not to mention that the words no longer have any meaning and have been constantly redefined to mean whatever they want it to mean.

Anyone with different politics are banned from their platforms. If they try to start their own platforms then DNS providers ban them, payment providers ban them, companies drop them, app stores ban them. Like someone mentioned elsewhere, what's next? Does anyone not a leftist need to create their own mobile networks? Lay their own fiber? When the left puts an end to this too, what's next? It's already gone to an unacceptable level of censorship and destruction.

You really want to see how evil starts? This is it. A group of people so convinced that they're morally just, better than everyone else, just like every evil regime that ever existed, that have justified to themselves that everyone else is evil, that it's fine to do evil things to them, that's it's fine to literally burn books because the knowledge conflicts with their ideology, that it's OK to do evil things to those that they've deemed to be evil, and that, conversely, nothing they do is evil. That everything they do is "fighting for Democracy!", yet everything anyone else does is the literal death of Democracy. The supreme irony being that of course complete censorship and destruction of any opposing ideas is so obviously the death of democracy. Always getting your way is not democracy.

It's evil, pure and simple, from top to bottom. If you ever wondered how an evil regime forms, how people support it and cheer it on and let it happen, you're witnessing it right here and now.

Re: ACLU Counsel Warns of 'Unchecked Power' of Twitter, Facebook

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These companies have near monopoly control on the flow of information. Like it or not, they are the new public square. Just telling someone that's banned from Twitter, Facebook, etc., "but oh don't worry, you're still free to go downtown and hold up a sign and spread your message!", while everyone else is able to reach millions of people instantly, is not a solution, and you all know it isn't. Telling someone they ca…

Twitter just does not have anywhere close to monopoly control on the flow of information. Only 20% of the country uses it at all.

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>No one is worried about a mentally deranged guy running around in a costume taking over the legitimately elected government No, because that's not something that could actually ever have happened. Nothing that crowd could have done, or was planning to do, would have actually resulted in any of them "taking over" the government, that's not how this works. That asshole in the buffalo costume got his two minutes of int…

That doesn’t seem at all obvious. There were guys with zipties looking for elected representatives, and the electoral college votes could easily have been seized and destroyed. With hostages, a siege could easily have played out. What would Trump have done in that situation?

Worst case a few politicians and a lot of the "rebels" would have gotten killed. Basically nobody wants to die for trump, there is no risk of a huge armed uprising. It would have been a tragedy but on a grander scale it wouldn't matter, it would be like just another school shooting.

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Occupy Wall Street ended because of its own dysfunction.

I don’t mean what literally happened to it, I mean what happened to the values it represented. It’s barely been a decade and now the left has done a 180 on its relationship to corps.

Big corps started hiring leftist thought leaders and pay them huge salaries, then the left aligned very quickly with those big corporations.

Re: ACLU Counsel Warns of 'Unchecked Power' of Twitter, Facebook

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“Start your own Twitter then!” ... they do. “Google bans Parler, conservative Twitter. Apple gives them 24 hour notice to moderate more speech or be banned.”

If you can't communicate without violent insurrectionist rhetoric, then you better do it in private. Platforms have valid civil liability concerns with or without Section 230. Nobody banned "conservative twitter." They banned the people who have been whipping up the gullible and stupid with unfounded conspiracy theories and outright lies. Alternate realities are bad but tolerated until they lead to violence. Meghan M…

Fascist autocracy is the new language of the unheard for the big brains on HN.

Re: ACLU Counsel Warns of 'Unchecked Power' of Twitter, Facebook

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yes, because if they censor too much then parler or any other startup can easily rise up and compete. the barrier to entry is very very low here if there are pissed off users ready to flee. parler being a prime example

Sure looks anti-competitive when Parler is deleted from all the app stores now doesn’t it? And we have people vocally calling for Cloudflare and AWS to deny them hosting services.

Then don't download it from the app store.
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