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Pesticide believed to kill bees is authorised for use in England

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Re: Pesticide believed to kill bees is authorised for use in England

#11

A society of advanced apes with a penchant for destroying their environment decides that a species that is necessary for their survival is better off dead because they don't care for a weird thing called science.

Arguably it's the success of science that has allowed us to destroy our environment. Back in the middle ages we didn't have much leverage over nature.

The problem we have is that there's lots of us and we're pretty insatiable.

Re: Pesticide believed to kill bees is authorised for use in England

#12

The pesticide was banned by the EU 2 years back. Is there any evidence bees numbers have resurged? I'd be happy to keep this banned, I'm just asking...

From the link below, at least the effect on bumble bees is clear cut:

The impact of neonicotinoids on bumble bees is more in agreement. The majority of lab, semi field, and field studies report negative implications of neonicotinoids. Of four field studies investigating bumble bees [23-26], three report such effects [23, 25, 26]. These bees are about 2-3 times more sensitive than honey bees to neonicotinoid toxicity [13, 27, 28].

Re: Pesticide believed to kill bees is authorised for use in England

#14
I've caught a few news here & there since Brexit started coming about GB receding from say higher foot safety/quality standards (because of US pressure in that specific article), and then some pesticides articles including this. Is this just a random noise or does generally EU has higher standard for environment & food safety compared to where UK is heading?

Re: Pesticide believed to kill bees is authorised for use in England

#15

A society of advanced apes with a penchant for destroying their environment decides that a species that is necessary for their survival is better off dead because they don't care for a weird thing called science.

We'd rather have cheap sweet things than expensive sweet things. Then we'll come up with a cheap solution for the consequences that causes even more problems, and on and on.

It seems like most of the problems we have as a society are because we choose expedient solutions rather than careful solutions to problems.

Re: Pesticide believed to kill bees is authorised for use in England

#16

The pesticide was banned by the EU 2 years back. Is there any evidence bees numbers have resurged? I'd be happy to keep this banned, I'm just asking...

From the link below, at least the effect on bumble bees is clear cut: The impact of neonicotinoids on bumble bees is more in agreement. The majority of lab, semi field, and field studies report negative implications of neonicotinoids. Of four field studies investigating bumble bees [23-26], three report such effects [23, 25, 26]. These bees are about 2-3 times more sensitive than honey bees to neonicotinoid toxicity…

But the question here was different: did the ban produce any measurable effect in the two years since it has been established?

For example, we may have replaced neonicotinoids with massive use of something else, causing even worse problems.

My guess would be that we just don't have the data, but it's an interesting question.

Re: Pesticide believed to kill bees is authorised for use in England

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post #13

This is also a consequence of Brexit and the UK aligning with the USA corporate interests.

Are they though? Bayer bought Monsanto a couple years ago. They seem to be aligning themselves with German corporate interest on this one. There doesn't appear to be a US source of the chemical anymore:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-07/bayer-clo...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neonicotinoid

Re: Pesticide believed to kill bees is authorised for use in England

#18

A society of advanced apes with a penchant for destroying their environment decides that a species that is necessary for their survival is better off dead because they don't care for a weird thing called science.

I don't think the UK wants the bee species dead. I think we/they just take for granted the resiliency of the environment we live in.

That, or they reason that if they live in a house that's burning down, adding another flame won't make a difference.

Re: Pesticide believed to kill bees is authorised for use in England

#20

A society of advanced apes with a penchant for destroying their environment decides that a species that is necessary for their survival is better off dead because they don't care for a weird thing called science.

If we could only remember the old “Four Pests”[1] campaign. Ah, grand old optimistic campaigns of the triumph of people over nature!

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_Campaign

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