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Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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I imagine Taiwan will be next especially since Biden is a Chinese puppet.

I don't entirely trust Biden when it comes to this, however, you can't really compare Taiwan to Hong Kong. To take Taiwan, China needs to annex an entirely separate country. They can do that through soft influence (pretty sure everyone agrees that's totally a failure), through economic means (Taiwan has been diversifying it's economy so not sure how great that option is anymore), or militarily. Even if other countrie…

It may be risky for China, but if you actually read Chinese media (or even the halfway house that is the SCMP), you can see to them it's not a question of IF but WHEN...

https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/united-states/a...

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The west needs to sanction China. This is violation of China's treaty obligations, it's not just a domestic issue, it's an international law issue, and it should have international consequences.

China invaded and annexed the Scarborough Shoal in 2012 and the Obama Administration did nothing. Despite the defense treaty with the Phillippines.

The Biden Administration will hand Hong Kong (and Taiwan) over to the CCP, just like they did with a part of the Phillippines 8 years ago.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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post #13

The west needs to sanction China. This is violation of China's treaty obligations, it's not just a domestic issue, it's an international law issue, and it should have international consequences.

China produces everything. We produce dollars, scrap products, corn, soybeans, timber, plastics and some software [1]. Where would you get all of your things if we did that? [1] https://www.uschina.org/reports/us-exports/national

From China. Sanctions don't necessarily mean ceasing all trade.

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This timing is unsurprising; it’s clear there’s nobody at the wheel in the U.S. for a couple of weeks, lowering the odds of reprisal during this window of opportunity. What would shift this? Does the E.U. have sufficient clout?

Someone will "be at the wheel" in a few days. And you will not see China back down. Why? China will soon overtake the United States - and not just by a little - by a lot.

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post #13

The west needs to sanction China. This is violation of China's treaty obligations, it's not just a domestic issue, it's an international law issue, and it should have international consequences.

China is strong and the UK is weak. The treaty is not valid anymore. Only an idiot would say otherwise.

Of course it's valid. If it can be enforced is another issue.

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#36
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see this going down the path of "we wind up just like them". I see this going down the path of WW III. What we need is another cold war. Any hot war will be unimaginably costly and drawn out.

> What we need is another cold war. I agree, but we need to show teeth. We have to shut down their domestic growth engine, crater nationalistic confidence, and make them understand they have no path forward but to concede to international pressures. The Chinese people deserve freedom and liberty. The Uyghurs and Tibetan people deserve self-determination should they themselves choose it. Look what playing nice and fri…

There is zero chance we'll shut down their domestic growth. They're self sufficient. There is no international pressure that can be brought to bear that will be of consequence. The only thing I see being effective is providing technology to their citizens to fight their way out of it. Provide them ways to communicate and disrupt, providing resources and broadcasting their message and documenting their efforts to the world, so they don't die in the dark and their government doesn't respond with impunity. Combined with the private wealth creation already happening, I see that as a feasible way forward. Then they can join us in living in a self directed democracy mediated by the dark money of corporations and uber wealthy individuals lol.

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The west needs to sanction China. This is violation of China's treaty obligations, it's not just a domestic issue, it's an international law issue, and it should have international consequences.

A century old treaty signed at gunpoint can be dissolved at gunpoint.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

China is strong and the UK is weak. The treaty is not valid anymore. Only an idiot would say otherwise.

The terms of the treaty state anything about the relative strength of each nation?

I tell you a secret: The CCP doesn't actually care about the rules of international law.

Who is gonna stop them? Nobody.

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I am not from the US or from China. I sincerely feel like your opinion is born of propaganda, but not only that, your call to action is itself propaganda.

A call to any action is propaganda. OP is calling to resist China’s rise unless they become the world’s leading power while also simultaneously being an opponent of free expression. Many in the world do not support free expression, they have their propaganda. Some in the world support free expression, they have their propaganda. The likely equilibria of human behavior is the former, due to human tendency for wanting…

Yeah. I kind of wish people held your viewpoint more.

I actually see a lot of things happening domestically and globally as a regression to the mean of human civilization.

Re: Arrests of Hong Kong democrats shows why EU must reject China investment

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post #13

The west needs to sanction China. This is violation of China's treaty obligations, it's not just a domestic issue, it's an international law issue, and it should have international consequences.

China produces everything. We produce dollars, scrap products, corn, soybeans, timber, plastics and some software [1]. Where would you get all of your things if we did that? [1] https://www.uschina.org/reports/us-exports/national

Well, they produce a lot.
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