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Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by 194765 »

bagacrap wrote: post #24
orange_tee wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They charged him with illegal possession of the guns though. It wouldn't make a difference in this case. He's not some kid in HS. He's a 70 year old man. He could easily obtain a hunting rifle (say in case you ban all other guns) and it would be just as effective for this purpose.

I'm pretty sure I'd rather be shot by a hunting rifle than an assault rifle. Hunting rifles aren't designed to blow a deer's leg off.

You may want to research the caliber and associated energy and ballistic differences between the firearms and cartridges you are talking about.

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Post by retox »

pjc50 wrote: post #8
waihtis wrote: post #4

It was a terribly bad idea for the major tech platforms to go for the Trump ban right now. There’s a highy unstable force out there born specifically from the idea that they’re an oppressed and censored group of people, and this ban action is pouring a tanker of gasoline into an already raging bonfire. I get why it had to be done; the general public has never had any regard for second-order effects and big tech will…

Other way round: they've been talking this stuff up for decades. This is just the continuation of Waco and Ruby Ridge and Malheur and those guys who tried to kidnap a governor and the guy who blew up a telephone exchange and a dozen ""lone wolf"" mass shooters. And the "killdozer" guy. Eventually all the thousands of ""lone wolves"" who share the same ideas and politics and gun suppliers were going to get together. T…

>This is just the continuation of Waco and Ruby Ridge

You clearly don't know very much about the facts of either of those events. I suggest you do some reading.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by lmilcin »

buran77 wrote: post #7

> Another man allegedly showed up in the nation's capital with an assault rifle and hundreds of rounds of ammunition and told acquaintances that he wanted to shoot or run over House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, prosecutors said. Wonder if this is what makes lawmakers consider some sensible gun regulation...

The reality is, in almost every place on Earth a person that is intent on getting a gun will get a gun.

If you want to do a crime with a gun, you definitely don't want a legal one. That's just stupid.

And people intent on doing crimes most of the time don't really need guns for it, it is just suspicious to carry a gun around and if you are doing something shady you want to bring as little suspicion as possible. And adds charges for illegal gun possession in case you are caught with one.

Gun regulation is mostly to stop stupid people act stupidly with a gun they already lawfully own, to stop people who for various reasons shouldn't own a gun from owning one legally and also to cool down the police so that it doesn't feel it has to shoot suspects on sight. (Notice stress on the word "feel")

I am all for gun regulation, I just feel it is a bad example for regulation.

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Post by uncledave »

Fnoord wrote: post #16
rtx wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want to ban the most beautiful thing about America?

> You want to ban the most beautiful thing about America? Assault rifles? What does a US citizen need an M16 for? An AK47? Makes no sense.

Shooting people.

Which is bad.

Edit: lots of potential murderers here?

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by dogma1138 »

bagacrap wrote: post #24
orange_tee wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They charged him with illegal possession of the guns though. It wouldn't make a difference in this case. He's not some kid in HS. He's a 70 year old man. He could easily obtain a hunting rifle (say in case you ban all other guns) and it would be just as effective for this purpose.

I'm pretty sure I'd rather be shot by a hunting rifle than an assault rifle. Hunting rifles aren't designed to blow a deer's leg off.

That’s not how these things work, “assault rifles” aren’t rail guns.

Assault rifle was a nomenclature for smaller caliber rifles capable of both automatic and semi automatic fire that were designed to be used in an “assault” as in more mobile and rapidly advancing combat.

“Battle rifles” were defined as large caliber designed for more long range engagements and being primarily fired form stationary positions.

Arguably the first modern assault rifle was the M1 Carbine during WW2 it was essentially in the middle between a machine pistol/sub machine gun and a rifle.

When the “assault rifles” we know today were being designed the inspiration for them was many of the same hunting and sporter rifles and cartridges you want to get shot with.

5.56 NATO is based on the .223 Remington a hunting cartridge in fact the AR-15 predates the M-16.

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Post by GiorgioG »

bagacrap wrote: post #24
orange_tee wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They charged him with illegal possession of the guns though. It wouldn't make a difference in this case. He's not some kid in HS. He's a 70 year old man. He could easily obtain a hunting rifle (say in case you ban all other guns) and it would be just as effective for this purpose.

I'm pretty sure I'd rather be shot by a hunting rifle than an assault rifle. Hunting rifles aren't designed to blow a deer's leg off.

You clearly don’t know anything about firearms. An “assault” rifle bullet/round (5.56mm/0.223) is smaller and less powerful than a typical hunting rifle (7.62mm/0.308) round.

“Assault” rifles aren’t designed to blow your anyone’s leg off.

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Post by boringg »

I feel like this is the equivalent of a guy showing up to a party of people he doesn’t know that well. Brings a drink in and then if the party gets going he’s like “don’t worry I have a lots more in the car” to make friends. Except in this case it’s a weapons cache and obviously incredibly disturbing.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by GiorgioG »

Fnoord wrote: post #16
rtx wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You want to ban the most beautiful thing about America?

> You want to ban the most beautiful thing about America? Assault rifles? What does a US citizen need an M16 for? An AK47? Makes no sense.

US citizens can’t have M16s or AK-47s as automatic rifles illegal. Sure you can buy a pre-ban (made before 1986) automatic rifle if you have $30,000 and go through a special/long ATF process.

Re: Police found pickup truck full of bombs and guns near Capitol

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Post by dogma1138 »

boringg wrote: post #29
orange_tee wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't get confused by the terms. They are both 100% deadly. Both come in semi-automatic configuration as well. The only difference is that hunting rifles typically have low capacity magazines whereas assault rifles have high capacity magazines. EDIT: In case you are talking about types of ammunition, it's true that anti-human ammunition is more deadly. But I am not sure it makes that much of a difference because hunt…

High capacity vs low capacity magazines is a real difference if you are in a fire fight.

Not really the biggest difference would be a detachable magazine vs a non detachable magazine.
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