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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by watwut »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #303

This has been an embarrassing incident to those in power because it made them look weak. But calling a populist movement with millions of supporters, terrorists is very short sighted. It will only accelerate the fire. The left soon will control all three branches of government, after an election that many people question, has been simultaneously advocating for censorship of its political adversaries, more draconian c…

> Censorship and oppression is not the answer

Trying to overturn election is oppression. Literally, there is nothing more authoritarian going on right now then that.

Donald Trump and other republican politicians spread lies about election in an attempt to overturn election in any way possible. They tried and failed dozens of lawsuits to overturn that election. Trump trying to bully Georgia Officers to find votes for him.

And somehow, those lies being spread among their fans and their party proves that ... democrats should not have won the election.

Election means that your party can loose. And your party then can try to convince people that they are better party. But you loosing election and then not being able to accept that your party should be ruling everything or that it was rejected by large groups of people does not mean you should get some concessions.

Just because you are throwing anti-democratic tempper tamptrum does not mean you have entitlement.

> But calling a populist movement with millions of supporters, terrorists is very short sighted. It will only accelerate the fire.

Whether they are terrorist depends on what tactic they use. Not on how many supporters they have.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by jmull »

handmodel wrote: post #65
ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

He also tweeted praise for the insurrectionist and justifications for the insurrection during the attack.

Any idea that he hadn’t realized the effect his words would have and had learned his lesson go firmly out the window.

(If there were any remaining doubts before that... did anyone believe he didn’t know what he was doing?)

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by w0de0 »

It’s a free country, and that includes the freedom of private business not to do business with anyone they choose for almost any reason. That’s fine with me, and if the Trumpists and their apologists had any consistency, it would be with them too.

There are constraints on commercial discrimination around race and identity. They were painfully negotiated during the civil rights era. Ironically that form of discrimination by a business - separate but equal etc - is probably just fine with the Trumpists.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by w0de0 »

bargl wrote: post #431

This is gasoline on the fire. When banning someone like donald trump you need to have a great press release for justification. You need to point to something that people who are in the middle will read and think, yeah that makes sense, I'm surprised you didn't do that earlier. Instead, they have this PR that I honestly disagree with, even in the current climate, I don't see it. I can only think, they wanted to ban hi…

I disagree. I think Donald Trump’s tweets were the gasoline. I have serious doubts this fire can go on without him. Hopes, at least.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by w0de0 »

paganel wrote: post #224

It's a purge, had just read 5 minutes ago that they had suspended Michael Flynn's account, now I'm seeing that FB has decided to ban a community of over half a million people [1] supposedly because their political opinions are not in the best interest of FB the company right at this moment. Of course, I had to get all that info from thedonald.win because almost no-one else is talking about this. Coincidentally, I als…

Were private companies able to refuse to publish Ceausescu’s remarks? Were private companies even a thing?

It’s not a purge, it’s a website. And it’s a website that can ban users, even presidents, because it exists in a free land.

That’s not a purge. It’s a database change. Donald and Flynn can go make their own platform.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by [deleted] »

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by throwaway316943 »

NE2z2T9qi wrote: post #930
handmodel wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

Did you actually read the Twitter blog post explaining the ban? They claim Trump Tweeting that he will not attend the Biden inauguration is “an incitement to violence”. That’s delusional.

It reads like left wing conspiracy theories, it’d be funny if it wasn’t so sad.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by dragonwriter »

Wolverines wrote: post #968

Donald Trump should never have been blocked from Twitter. Where is free speech? Wake up people!

> Donald Trump should never have been blocked from Twitter

Maybe, maybe not. Twitter is free to do what you think they should not.

> Where is free speech?

It's what Twitter exercises when it decides what content and content sources to relay.

Free speech isn't an entitlement to someone else's resources to amplify your speech.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by notsureaboutpg »

alex_young wrote: post #205
handmodel wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

It's really important realize this distinction. Imagine a newspaper printing a letter to the editor from a person whose words have previously incited a riot. I find it surprising that they enabled the account again at all after the 6th.

The NYT published Osama Bin Laden's Letter to America after 9/11 and it is still a very important piece of history. It gives real insight into the thoughts of someone overseas who's seen the policy outcomes of American foreign policy that most Americans at the time were totally unaware of and why it provoked them into taking drastic (and horrible, terrible, wrong) measures.

People aren't stupid. They can read and understand and make their own decisions about stuff.

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