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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#921
Incredibly stupid to ban him at this point. The storming of the Capitol was a dangerous event, but could've been the apex event of the Trump supporters.

The whole movement should've been let to slowly fizzle away - now they've been dealt yet another very public embarrassment and the tug of war will continue.

This has all the chances of becoming a case file for naive interventionism.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#923
While I think Trump is completely in the wrong;

He did not tell people to commit their crimes.

It is important to maintain a strict standard here. There are many people who speak of the dangers of fascism, but they are not responsible when antifa riot. There are many who speak of racism, but they (even organization leaders) are not responsible for when BLM protests turn into riots.

What’s happening now is disturbing. Not only Trump but dozens of other accounts have been purged.

Even the Parler app has been removed from the Android store. If it hasn’t been removed from Apple store I am guessing it will be.

The end result is a continued world-view split not only in ideas but in platforms; software and soon hardware?

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#924

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

> Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. > Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally By this logic do we not also have to delete the account of everyone prominent who tweeted anything to the effect of "no justice no peace" with respect to BLM, given that several people died there as well?

In this case you had people with flags bearing a specific person’s name on them. Certainly muting the only person bearing that name will have a direct effect.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#925
post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

Regardless of your beliefs, today is a sad day for free speech.

Absolutely the opposite of your sentiment.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#926

While I think Trump is completely in the wrong; He did not tell people to commit their crimes. It is important to maintain a strict standard here. There are many people who speak of the dangers of fascism, but they are not responsible when antifa riot. There are many who speak of racism, but they (even organization leaders) are not responsible for when BLM protests turn into riots. What’s happening now is disturbing.…

Why do you think it is specifically relevant to say “He did not tell people to commit their crimes”?

Do you imagine some “correct” process exists for this situation, where Trump would face a trial and conviction for inciting the riot, and then Twitter would be legally be forced to silence him?

No such process exists, and never will, since it would violate the first amendment. Ultimately the decision of when to silence him is left to the judgement of the individuals who operate the platform.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#927

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

It's really important realize this distinction. Imagine a newspaper printing a letter to the editor from a person whose words have previously incited a riot. I find it surprising that they enabled the account again at all after the 6th.

I believe they did so to fire a warning shot, to be able to argue later that they were not banning immediately. I bet they knew that guy wouldn’t be able to keep his thumbs in his pockets – and that’s 100% on him.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#928

This has been an embarrassing incident to those in power because it made them look weak. But calling a populist movement with millions of supporters, terrorists is very short sighted. It will only accelerate the fire. The left soon will control all three branches of government, after an election that many people question, has been simultaneously advocating for censorship of its political adversaries, more draconian c…

If you step out just a tiny bit of of the US political context, you might realize that you can hardly call the democrats "The left". From an European perspective, you have the extreme right, and the right. I think this statement might be true from a South American perspective as well and likely from others.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#929
post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

Regardless of your beliefs, today is a sad day for free speech.

Would you agree that there are many ways to deliver a message? Do you think verbally insulting my friends to the point where they can no longer communicate with me is freedom of speech?. Things are not black and white

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

#930
post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

Did you actually read the Twitter blog post explaining the ban? They claim Trump Tweeting that he will not attend the Biden inauguration is “an incitement to violence”. That’s delusional.
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