Censorship. Free speech. No american again should use these words for other countries.
Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump
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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump
#912This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…
Twitter, Facebook et al. have been getting a lot of flak recently for having algorithms that lead to radicalization of users (i.e. maximizing engagement/controversy for ad revenue). I think Trump is the best scapegoat they have for the alt-right radicalization phenomenon, rather than the platform themselves. The events that transpired recently are a perfect distraction for a deeper problem that lies with Big Tech.
(Similarly... I don't support Trump either, etc. etc.)
Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump
#913Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…
> You should counter bad arguments with better arguments We've witnessed the fallacy of this argument. It assumes a level of rationality that has been proven to be unreasonable to assume. The problem isn't that "better" arguments aren't reaching people. Rather, we have watched people exercise an incredible ability to discard overwhelming evidence and embrace narratives that have literally zero evidence to support the…
So we should all defer to the superior rationality of who exactly?
Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump
#914A suspension also means a deletion of the entire history and exactly that part is worrisome to me. The archive is gone.
How are future generation going to believe that this man actually contradicted himself so, so, so many times?
Edit: Ah nevermind: https://www.thetrumparchive.com/
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#915oh how the mighty have fallen
Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump
#916Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…
A platform is demonstrably different than speech in real-world terms. It is simply not possible to 'say' something while you are sitting on the toilet to 70 million people within a few seconds.
The idea that 'a platform' and 'speech' must be treated the same is ultimately a kind of class warfare -- its a false comparison that serves to benefit the rich (in this case, rich in terms of platform reach) by pretending that any attempts to place restrictions on the use of mega-platforms must necessarily imply new restrictions on the speech of the vast majority of people without such reach.
Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump
#917Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…
History has shown that censorship leads to violence in the long-run.
We will see violence almost immediately.
Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump
#918So are they going to apply to the same reasoning to government of Ethiopia, which apparently started a war not too long ago. Or the governments of Armenia and the other place (Turkmenistan?). The Chinese consulate was recently bragging on Twitter about how its their concentration camps are serving as feminist awareness centers for Uygar women. Selectively addressing evils isn’t doing good: it’s taking sides.
Twitter is an American platform, and I doubt that they would expend resources to try quell misinformation and disinformation from third-world countries that have lower followership, little financial incentive and very low legal risk; relative to the US.
I'm from South Africa, and decided to temporarily log out of Twitter, because as a platform, it's become the kind of place for hashtag spam, wild conspiracies that are often dangerous and go unmoderated. Twitter has no incentive to do anything, the only times a tweet gets censored is when there's momentum in reporting it, or by chance if it gets caught in some other way.
The last numbers I heard were that there's The ultimate tragedy (for me) is how countries have ceded their digital lives/capabilities to American media companies. There's little reason for a South African messaging platform to not survive, given that the average South African only speaks to people in South Africa (those abroad could still use such service).
Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump
#919This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…
>It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. It's clear that people are trying to make this into a cultural moment where you either distance from / renounce Trump (which is almost costless given the immanency of his term's end…
imminent != immanent
Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump
#920This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…
The environment has changed. Previously theoretic risks are now manifest, demonstrated, and cognizable. Actual riots, insurrection, disruption of government, assaults on law enforcement, damage to government buildings, theft of government property, violence, and deaths, have occurred. The instigator is unrepentent and non-credible in what are at best tepid disavowals. The totality of context has changed. If "he has t…
> Actual riots, insurrection, disruption of government, assaults on law enforcement, damage to government buildings, theft of government property, violence, and deaths, have occurred.
This describes the past half-year in Portland, Seattle, and more sporadically in many other cities.
I believe that no accounts on the Left: organizing, not merely advocating - have been permanently shut down.
So, I'm very skeptical that anything legitimate has changed. It feels very political.