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Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

I'm not an American and I don't identify with the political sides that have formed up but it is terrifying to me to see about half of the population being silenced.

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> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels Why do you think this? Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. It’s literally written into the constitution and it took literal bloodshed to change that. And then when we did, there was massive pushback in the form of Jim Crow laws. Statistically you’d expect half of people to be dumber than a…

This is something I've had an issue with for a while. It's not a great move to assume that conservatives are dumb. There are plenty of brilliant people who hold conservative values. Their idea of "success" may not follow the path of others who have moved from their hometown to a coast working in IT. Or the path of those who were "enlightened" with advanced degrees where the sophisticated choice is obviously to be a d…

Conservatives are in no way synonymous with Trump Republicans. Many of the stalwarts of conservatism have not just disavowed Trumpism, but have worked actively against it. Much of the discussion in modern (Trump) Republican circles would be unrecognizable to self-identified conservatives of 20, 30, 40 years ago.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

> We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the population out of public debate

They are not debating. They are yelling and screaming mindlessly.

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Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

It's far more likely that half the population has been duped into following someone because of clever conniving. Trump knew exactly what to do to build up that base and now that their head is gone, the chicken is running around in the yard with no direction wondering what the hell happened. Once the dust settles, I think a lot of those people will reintegrate into society, especially if they start to receive the bene…

Hahaha, America is never going to treat it's citizens well no matter who you put in as president. The owners will never allow it..

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You have a rosier view of five years ago than I do. Anyway, demagogues are products of their respective times. To focus on them and their personalities and their rhetoric is to completely miss the forest. Edit: In fact, that approach is part of what gives them their power. And it certainly makes avoiding their ascent nearly impossible.

Miss what forest, specifically? I agree with you about demagogues being products of their times. In this case it seems the forest being missed is social media platforms allowing intolerant content and the organization of domestic terrorism. If that is your point, then I agree. Social media companies need to do more to fight against the pressures that allow demagogues rise to power. Deplatforming them seems like a goo…

I think the parent poster means that if you focus on the proclivities of a leader, then you’re missing the point that they won a democratic election and that you might have bigger problems on your hands than a blowhard.

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> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels Why do you think this? Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. It’s literally written into the constitution and it took literal bloodshed to change that. And then when we did, there was massive pushback in the form of Jim Crow laws. Statistically you’d expect half of people to be dumber than a…

> Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. The racists during the time of slavery and Jim Crow made no attempt to deny their racism. The large majority of Republicans, including Trump, denounce racism. The news will find every schmuck with a confederate flag and put them on the TV, but that doesn't explain why a Republican majority Senate passed criminal justice reform and Trump signed it. > S…

You seem to be contributing to the discussion, but people are downvoting without actually voicing any disagreement.

This seems to be common when you take the conservative "side" even if it's not really a partisan position you take, simply disagreeing with implications that the entire right are dumb racists.

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Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

> I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels Why do you think this? Racism was the absolute norm in the US until ~not that long ago. It’s literally written into the constitution and it took literal bloodshed to change that. And then when we did, there was massive pushback in the form of Jim Crow laws. Statistically you’d expect half of people to be dumber than a…

So one political party is just full of dumb racists and the other party is full of clear, rationale thinkers with no biases who only believe the truth and have never made a mistake or believed something that is untrue.

That's you're theory? Really?

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> Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. Well these last two seem pretty par for the course for illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate. At a certain point the line of absurdity has been crossed at it is not the duty of society to constantly debunk illegitimate claims. > The other side keeps deplatforming them In this particular case, Parler has been host to a num…

Yes, that is what reddit, twitter and Hacker News reinforce constantly. It's either because it's true, or because the other side has been repeatedly discouraged from adding their two cents in those communities. I've been seeing the world through this lens for so long that I can't tell. I find it somewhat implausible that half the population is dumb, racist and all those other labels. It seems much more likely that I…

I can tell you from my experience that, regardless of forum, I feel rarely given the chance to even give a perspective that I feel is taken seriously, because the immediate assumption is that anyone who has opinion "x" on subject "y" must be a bigot and/or uneducated (and therefore should not be listened to), and, using circular logic, they know this because opinion "x" is a bigoted or uneducated opinion.

I have highly conservative economic policy views, and they are the result of both education and personal experience.

I grew up in increasing poverty as a kid, culminating in facing homelessness in the 2008 housing crisis. I saw the effects first hand of several policies sold by "progressive" politicians to me and my family as instruments of change that would expand the welfare of the nation to us, and for several years hoped they actually would.

Yet each policy meant to help us, only ever seemed to do the opposite. I drove a car that I was lucky if I could get started each day to go to college and to work, yet the liberal "cash for clunkers" program meant to give people an opportunity to buy a new vehicle meant that not only could I not afford a new car even after the additional "cash", but now the used car parts market was so expensive because of the sudden destruction of "clunkers", it also made keeping my car running nearly impossible.

A healthcare bill that I hoped would fund my parent's healthcare needs ended up giving us a choice - pay for a plan we couldn't afford with deductibles so high we would never be able to use it, or take our chances that the IRS would never collect on the individual mandate.

Each step of the way, liberal politicians would pass something on the notion that it was to help people like me, only for it to hurt me, but even worse, I was now "racist" and "dumb" for opposing them.

I reached a point where I no longer wanted government to help me be "equal", I just wanted them to leave me alone and stop making it harder than it already was. Yet I kept being told this elitist group of leaders in Washington knew better than me, even as with each "experiment" they were left completely unaffected by the consequences that I was left with.

After 4 years of college towards a computer science degree, I'm incredibly grateful for my education, and I have since been able to do incredible things for my family with my income from a career I love.

I now have the freedom to advocate for the same liberal policies my co-workers advocate for, knowing that whether they work or not, I will be wholly unaffected. This way, I could be easily accepted and free to voice my political opinion along everyone else, without fear of being called a bigot.

But my experience growing up is exactly why I believe what I believe, and I can promise anyone willing to listen that, for as strongly as you believe you are representing the welfare of the poor, or of minorities, so do I. Not out of racism or ill intent, but precisely the opposite - my own experience, and my desire to help others with what helped me.

My education served to expand my mind to be open to everyone's perspective in a way that I feel gave me empathy. Empathy to see that, while my experience drives me to conservative fiscal policy and socially libertarian policy, I would never want to judge someone else's motives based solely on their political persuasion. Others likely had different life experiences that I would do well to learn from.

To me, the goal of an education is the ability to have empathy for multiple, potentially conflicting views at once, and make decisions based on that. I really struggle with the notion that many seem to have that, instead, being educated seems to mean "empathize with a single viewpoint, and make decisions for everyone based on that, with the assumption that I must be more correct in my assertion than the people for whom I'm deciding, because I'm educated and they are not".

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https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347609631527489537 > Many of Us will return ... carrying Our weapons. ... We will come in numbers that no standing army or police agency can match. However, the police are NOT our enemy, unless they choose to be! > I hope the cop gets doxxed and murdered. That would be the only real justice. > Federal swine most definitely. Dozens of them need to be eliminated. >> All

> > Many of Us will return ... carrying Our weapons. ... We will come in numbers that no standing army or police agency can match. However, the police are NOT our enemy, unless they choose to be! This is so embarrassing, you'd think people so hard right would remember the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Technology lols at their "numbers."

I don't think Trump supporters support the invasion of Iraq. Trump called it a disaster while running, for example.
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