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Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by dang » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 5:21 AM UTC

Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #97

ajross wrote: post #56

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> We are heading toward authoritarianism. We had a coup attempt on Wednesday! We're already there. This is the attempt to recover. Maybe it won't work. I'm not super hopeful. But in a country where the president can aim a riot at congress, his ability to tweet doesn't really seem like the freedom we should be most concerned about.

>coup attempt It wasn't even close to a coup. https://mises.org/wire/capitol-riot-wasnt-coup-it-wasnt-even... >This is the attempt to recover. This is a massive step forward to authoritarianism. Internet monopolies colluding to censor the internet, politicians calling for protestors to be put on the no fly list without due process, growing calls for the government to censor the internet, and more to come.

Your account is using HN primarily for political battle. We ban accounts that do that. I'm not going to ban you right now, because it wasn't that long ago that you were posting comments more in line with the intended use of this site. But if you keep this up, we'll have to. Flamewars and political battles are not what this site is for, and they destroy what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by kristofferR » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 5:21 AM UTC

bigwavedave wrote: post #235

courtf wrote: post #202

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These comments are hilarious, because people on the right vastly overestimate the size of their presence on the web. The traffic parler generates for AWS is a rounding error. It's like complaining about shutting down the old chuck e cheese on the interstate.

> people on the right vastly overestimate the size of their presence on the web. Slightly off topic: This presents an interesting thought exercise- how would that stat be calculated? Does a dev with a github repo, Twitter account, and active account on a discord server have more or less of a presence on the web than a retiree with a Facebook account, two yahoos, and a google profile that frequently comments on the yo…

Alexa is one way. TheDonald is the 419th most popular website in America for example.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/thedonald.win

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by dang » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 5:22 AM UTC

btmiller wrote: post #25

Frankly yes. A tolerant society does not tolerate intolerance.

Please don't post flamebait to HN. This cliché predictably made the flamewar hellishly worse.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25696026.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by dang » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 5:23 AM UTC

ajross wrote: post #119

Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #97

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>coup attempt It wasn't even close to a coup. https://mises.org/wire/capitol-riot-wasnt-coup-it-wasnt-even... >This is the attempt to recover. This is a massive step forward to authoritarianism. Internet monopolies colluding to censor the internet, politicians calling for protestors to be put on the no fly list without due process, growing calls for the government to censor the internet, and more to come.

> It wasn't even close to a coup You'd never say that if it wasn't "your people" in there. Never. Don't claim to be a patriot ever again if you think dismissing the first successful attack on a congressional session (hell, the VP was in there too) in the history of the republic is a good argument to make. Hell, five people died. That's more than at the Reichstag fire (I checked with Godwin, by the way, he approves).…

Please do not take HN threads further into flamewar hell like this. HN's rules apply regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are, and the fact that the site is burning uncontrolledly in 17 places right now is reason for established users like you to stick more to the intended spirit, not less.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by dang » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 5:28 AM UTC

pineapple_rice wrote: post #68

alisonkisk wrote: post #49

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See "Paradox of tolerance" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

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We've banned this account. Creating accounts for political flamewar is not allowed here, regardless of what politics you're for or against.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by zepto » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 5:28 AM UTC

rvz wrote: post #180

zepto wrote: post #61

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They don’t. Anyone can post anything on their own website. In Trump’s case he can call a press conference.

> They don’t. Anyone can post anything on their own website. Anyone but Trump or the banned-wagon. If Trump hosts a website on GoDaddy or any other hosting service, it will be removed immediately. > In Trump’s case he can call a press conference. Depends where it can be streamed. Given he's just been de-platformed from most streaming services for the general folk. CSPAN perhaps? Sure the media will do it but they can…

This is complete bullshit.

He’s been banned from a few social networks for terms of service violations. That’s all.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by salawat » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 5:29 AM UTC

erichocean wrote: post #117

another_sock wrote: post #88

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Yes like that picture of Stalin and Nikolai Yezhov!

Or like tearing down Confederate statues. There's no need to commemorate hate.

Denying where you've been ensures you repeat it. The alcoholic who cannot control himself when surrounded by alcohol is not truly cured of their alcoholism. The drink still controls them, because it directs them away from any cohabitance with alcohol.

The same with our sordid past.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by Udik » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 5:31 AM UTC

pqhwan wrote: post #237

Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #232

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I'm willing to change my opinion as soon as someone provides me some evidence that this was actually a coup, and not a riot that's being inflated to order to justify sweeping authoritarianism.

It’s possible you’re underestimating the sheer practical and symbolic significance of the building they broke into (and the people who work there). Which, actually, is kind of the whole problem. Can you provide an example of an evidence that would make this a coup for you?

This is a good analysis of why it was not a coup:

https://theconversation.com/was-it-a-coup-no-but-siege-on-us...

In short, a coup is an organised action to seize power. For that, it's essential to have secured the support of at least part of the armed forces, and a plan to replace the top of the power hierarchy. Nothing like that was seen in the Capitol riots, which seemed disorganised and essentially demonstrative in nature. Once entering the building, the rioters proceeded taking selfies.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by coordN8 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 5:33 AM UTC

another_sock wrote: post #156

nr2x wrote: post #140

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As a brilliant billionaire businessman with three cable news networks behind him I’m sure he’ll survive.

Yes and I'm sure when all the standards for allowing people on the wrong side of public opinion are removed, that will never end up flipping around on the people who pushed for their removal.

Point to a time in history where a truly egalitarian society existed

Point to a time in history where you gave up all the creature comforts afforded to you by this nation’s imperialism.

You’re a political agent raised on propaganda; everyone is. I don’t see you rocking the boat and picking a fight with the establishment? Why would Tim Apple or Dorsey, typical humans biologically, be held to a different standard?

All the armchair soldiers in this thread are entitled first worlders.

Literally no one here has achieved such a unique accomplishment to be above reproach.

Sit down, America. Nobody really cares. They go along because bigger military.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by salawat » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 5:35 AM UTC

Imnimo wrote: post #166

Honest question: Are people who are upset about this upset because they believe that Twitter should never ban anyone, or are they upset because they believe Trump has not violated any of Twitter's policies, or are they upset because they believe that Trump should not be banned even if he violates Twitter's policies?

I'm a bit of a hard liner against banning anyone. I may not care much for some of the stupid or horrific crap people say, but I'll put my life on the line for their right to say it unimpeded.

What other people do with that, and what happens in return is above my paygrade... I'm also generally pretty careful about what I do say as a result.

Sometimes at least. I have my asshat moments, I'm sad to say.