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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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I don't understand what people don't get about the 1st amendment. A right to free speech, is set in stone in the US Constitution, a private company can enforce their own censorship, but having a company that wants to have the 1st amendment and is being forced to be shut down is not what the US is about. Threats and actions to commit treason should be handled by authorities and prosecuted. But someone saying they don'…

> I don't understand what people don't get about the 1st amendment. A right to free speech, is set in stone in the US Constitution It seems like you yourself may be having a little 1st amendment confusion, it has no bearing on private companies and only refers to laws Congress is allowed to pass. The opening paragraph of the amendment: “Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech” https://en.m.wikipe…

> it has no bearing on private companies and only refers to laws Congress is allowed to pass.

I'm afraid that's not quite right.

The Fourteenth Amendment acts to extend the Bill of Rights to the states, as well. So the First Amendment limits not just the laws the federal government can pass and enforce, but the laws state governments can pass and enforce, too.

With some exceptions, the First Amendment also prohibits laws compelling speech. This is at the root of platforms' legal rights to set their own rules for content moderation, or to choose what to publish. For a recent case on compelled speech, see the Supreme Court decision in the Becerra case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_of_Family_a...

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Have you read the actual lawsuits which were filed? You are aware the "60 lawsuits being dismissed" is a lie right? Trump campaign only filed 5 lawsuits. The Georgia lawsuit still hasn't even had a judge assigned even though it was filed on December 4th. The TX lawsuit to the SCOTUS - they refused to even hear it. So how exactly can you say "illegitimate claims been promoted as legitimate"? Thousands of dead people,…

I'm not in a place to practice google-fu, but if I'm remembering correctly, wasn't the Texas lawsuit not heard by the USSC because they didn't follow the protocol necessary to have a case heard by the USSC?

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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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> because they didn't follow the protocol necessary Texas followed the protocol, which included filing a motion for leave to file a bill of complaint in the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court, however denied the motion. https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/do... https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/121120zr_p86...

Interesting, I thought all appeals to the USSC required moving through the federal court system first.

This was original jurisdiction. Cases between states start here.

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> > Are against abortion? Then you’re a misogynist. > > Yes. This is correct. Have you looked at the data of how many women are pro-life? Do you think half of women are misogynists? https://news.gallup.com/poll/244709/pro-choice-pro-life-2018...

Yes, plenty of women have been mislead into misogyny.

It's pretty misogynist to assume the only reason a woman could have a different opinion from you (a male) is because she was misled.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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>Anyone who buys an Apple phone is apparently a user. Apparently they know what is best for you by telling you which apps you may and may not use. Apparently they believe Parler is responsible for ALL user generated content on Parler. Therefor by the same logic, Apple must be responsible for ALL actions taken by their phones. Every car bomb, every illegal cell phone conversation, every illegal crime committed on an i…

Apple says Parler has insufficient moderation policies, not that a single offending post is grounds for banning the whole app. Running an app on an app store means you abide by the content policies of that store. The content people post isn't the platforms responsibility, but moderation of it is.

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Why does the left have to censor the right? Surely they should be able to beat the right with logical and reasoned arguments? Censorship has always struck me as a tool that a side which isn't confident in its arguments uses.

Why not try both approaches? We'll let Pence and Graham explain, with logic and reason, why the Electoral College selected Biden, and then we'll see how people respond.

Assuming you are serious, let’s watch Lindsay walk thru Reagan International today:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lindsey-graham-called-trait...

I’m reminded of Qaddafi’s last video. If only he had used logic and reason...

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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There was a time when any form of censorship was anti-american.

Now, if one’s opinion does not conform to society’s version of what is true. That opinion is silenced. And that person is socially and publicly shamed.

We are a nation constantly judging each other’s thoughts.

And if you happen to agree with society’s current truth. You agree that silencing these ‘evil ppl’ is just, and the right thing to do. They should be silenced. They should lose their jobs. Their livelihoods.

All that is missing, is throwing them into the gulag, to change their ‘evil’ thoughts.

How fascist we have become.

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I appreciate your honesty and I will attempt to explain, briefly, so you might understand better. 1. Most people on the right are against abortion for the reason that it is against their particular religion, which declares it as murder and murder is wrong. But, the others don't care at all about a woman's right to choose, they just don't want their tax dollars paying for that choice instead of other things they want.…

And yet if we look at it objectively, the right is clearly overrepresnted in our political system. Republicans lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. In the next presidential election there will be many eligible voters who weren't even born last time they won. The Senate gives a seven point advantage to Republicans. So please, explain to me where you get this idea that the right is "tre…

Also, SCOTUS has had a conservative majority (except during a vacancy) since 1989.

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Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

Parler, Apple, Google, Twitter are not public venues. In no possible way are they for public debate. If you go on Parler and call Donald Trump a malignant narcissist, you will get banned. If you say too many political things on Hacker News, you get warned and banned. None of these places are public venues. They are not the thing you seem to think they are. Maybe they aren't even what they have purported to be up unti…

Does Parler actually ban people? I assumed anything goes.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Remember “If you don’t like Twitter’s rules, you are perfectly free to make your own platform”? I suppose we are perfectly free to make our own pocket computers now, right?

While you’re at it, you should create your own payment processor too, because Mastercard and Visa will refuse to accept payments for your racist pocket computers.
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