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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by kiawe_fire »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #784
kiawe_fire wrote: post #497

One side began returning home almost immediately after the situation escalated, and has since been so widely shocked by the violence that occurred that many continue to be sceptical it was even born of their movement. The other side, through most of the year, not only didn't denounce the violence, but celebrated it as democracy in action, including one TV anchor that asked to be shown "where it says protesters are su…

Your equivocation of the two sides is such BS and just desperate whataboutism. Was there violence and destruction at rallies over the summer that was criminal? Yes and it wasn’t ok. I expect prosecutions, convictions and restitution. But on Tuesday what occurred was a violent takeover of the legislative branch of government by a mob incited by the defeated leader of another branch to prevent the official recognition…

I'm not equivocating the two, although re-reading my post I can see I left that impression. The violence in each case is disturbing to me, in different ways and for different reasons.

I'm merely trying to sort out why the response to, and consequences of, the violence of one side seems so disproportionate to that of the other side, seeing as we both seem to agree violence is harmful to a civil society.

So far, the only answer I can discern essentially comes down to "because I agree with my side more than yours", in which case, the side with the bigger mob will always win, rather than an honest discussion of ideas.

Even if you disagree, if you set aside your hostilities and assume I say this in good faith for just a moment, I don't think it's that great of a stretch to see why this would be confusing.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by systematical »

I was opposed to banning anyone anywhere, public or private, until Wednesday. He inspired a mob that threatened two Vice Presidents and the entire legislative branch. Guns and bombs were found at the capitol. People had zip ties, seemingly wanting to take hostages. This is yelling fire in a crowded theater, plus Twitter can do what they want on their platform. No sympathy here. We'll see what the repercussions of this are, but its not hard to understand the reasoning. Don't be tone deaf.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by diveanon »

Twitter being a private company aside, DT has shown that he is willing to incite violence.

Twitter has a responsibility to ban him unless it wants to be held accountable for what he does next.

Twitter is already largely responsible for this mess in the first place, without their platform viralizing his message of hate he may never have become president.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by mapme »

miguelmota wrote: post #869
shiado wrote: post #115

74 million voters. This is not going to play out well. There's really no coming back from this moment, the technocratic elite have changed American democracy forever. Edit: I mean this in the way Snowden tweeted yesterday, it will be interesting how this plays out for better or worse, but it is a monumental policy shift that will be a date marked in history books.

Curious, do you think all 74 million people are actually outraged? A lot of people voted republican because of libertarian views, not because they support Trump specifically. A lot of them also don't believe the election was rigged. The capitol riots that occurred this week have also swayed more people away from the conservative party. Trump still has millions of supporters but I think that number is tricking down gi…

Polling shows ~50% of Rs say that it was rigged. So not all, but that’s a big number.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll/half-of...

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by lixtra »

Legion wrote: post #259
allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

> You should counter bad arguments with better arguments We've witnessed the fallacy of this argument. It assumes a level of rationality that has been proven to be unreasonable to assume. The problem isn't that "better" arguments aren't reaching people. Rather, we have watched people exercise an incredible ability to discard overwhelming evidence and embrace narratives that have literally zero evidence to support the…

> Rather, we have watched people exercise an incredible ability to discard overwhelming evidence and embrace narratives that have literally zero evidence to support them (or, in fact, have been repeatedly disproven and debunked).

How can you then justify that these people have the right to exercise real power and vote?

> hopelessly naive Yet, it’s the only way to protect their democratic rights and lead them back to a better path.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by diveanon »

allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

Hold platforms accountable for the radicals they create.

Imagine how different the world would be if Facebook faced consequences for the genocide it helped facilitate in Myanmar.

These companies will only ever respond to a loss of revenue, which is why you are seeing these bans now instead of 5 years ago.

Twitter helped create this mess, and now people have died and our country was a few guards and a chair barricade away from an actual coup.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by diveanon »

Donald Trump is still president of the US.

He can hold a press conference whenever he wants if he would like to speak to the public.

All of this talk about free speech in regards to the twitter ban is nonsense. Nobody is limiting his ability to address the public (except for perhaps pence and his cabinet).

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