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Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by sixothree » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:59 AM UTC

tonystubblebine wrote: post #123

mullingitover wrote: post #53

It's going to be exhausting watching people explain how the First Amendment works, ad nauseam, over the next few days.

I would like to see people who are advocating for free speech on private platforms to expand what they are saying to also cover their position on property rights. Fine, fine, I get that a lot of people here are chilled by threats to open discussion. But please go further, how do you balance that with a private company's right to do what they want with their own product? I personally find it very threatening as a prod…

Imagine if HN was not allowed to moderate its posts. They give a wider berth to comments than they need to, including some I have made (apologies and thank you hn). But I can't imagine I would want to be here if Trump's post were an unfiltered part of the experience.

edit: and to be clear the thing I am most disappointed in my comments is the brevity. I am disappointed in myself the most for making terse comments.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by danaris » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:01 AM UTC

cmroanirgo wrote: post #178

scrollaway wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you implying it's "not a coincidence"? Because of course it's not. The bigger companies (twitter, facebook) minimized risk of fallout by waiting until DT's time in power was up and there was a good opportunity to do what they wanted (Jan 6th events), and the other companies are just following in their footsteps while it makes good PR. It's kinda like when BLM was hot in the news and companies decided to paint the…

> DT's time in power was up Isn't his time up on Jan 20? It really looks like collusion to this Aussie (me), who has no stake in the game. > while it makes good PR. I'm sure there's quite a few million Trump voters who would disagree it's good PR. As mercurial as he's been, he is still the sitting president of the country which lauds itself as the greatest (personally I disagree with the latter assessment). So, what…

The man incited a coup attempt two days ago. This isn't collusion, it's responding to current events.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by pqhwan » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:03 AM UTC

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #170

sk5t wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't sound like a good-faith argument to me. Is Boeing the government also? AT&T? Did Chrysler become the government during the WW2 supply push?

If the government uses their monetary ties, or forces a company with threats of legal (or executive) action to suppress free speech, I believe that is a violation of the 1st amendment.

Are you stating that as an unrelated hypothetical, or are you claiming that Trump forced Twitter to censor himself?

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:04 AM UTC

ng12 wrote: post #103

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #74

Is anyone concerned by the coordinated efforts of Facebook Google, Twitter, Discord, Reddit, and Apple today? If these groups and individuals that were banned were violating the TOS before, why did they leave them in place for so long? How do these companies decide when to enforce their rules, since obviously it's not immediately? And do they make deals with one another (I'll ban someone you don't like if you ban som…

It's very concerning. This is a coordinated political action with unprecedented scale. You may agree with the action this time, next time you may not.

Yes, the raid on the capitol was very frightening.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by another_sock » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:04 AM UTC

coordN8 wrote: post #176

ng12 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very concerning. This is a coordinated political action with unprecedented scale. You may agree with the action this time, next time you may not.

You’re talking about Trump right? Who reportedly manipulated the policing effort to prevent what happened? His own party is disowning him after years of playing along. This is a bit beyond violating a TOS. Unaligned politically or voters in the other side outnumbered Trump. Yet he clings to fantasy he can just steam roll over them. This has to be taken into a context that’s a bit more than dictionary definition of ce…

No I don't think he's talking about Trump.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by tonystubblebine » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:06 AM UTC

sixothree wrote: post #211

tonystubblebine wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like to see people who are advocating for free speech on private platforms to expand what they are saying to also cover their position on property rights. Fine, fine, I get that a lot of people here are chilled by threats to open discussion. But please go further, how do you balance that with a private company's right to do what they want with their own product? I personally find it very threatening as a prod…

Imagine if HN was not allowed to moderate its posts. They give a wider berth to comments than they need to, including some I have made (apologies and thank you hn). But I can't imagine I would want to be here if Trump's post were an unfiltered part of the experience. edit: and to be clear the thing I am most disappointed in my comments is the brevity. I am disappointed in myself the most for making terse comments.

Exactly. There are many, many curated experiences that we all appreciate. Curation is good. I'm so sick of open commons. Not all voices are equal and, IMO, fringe opinions should have to work extra hard to earn their way into the mainstream. Speaking strictly as a consumer, I appreciate and pay for curators as a way to save time.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by pseudalopex » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:07 AM UTC

erichocean wrote: post #157

gamblor956 wrote: post #87

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That is only done for Presidents that are removed via the impeachment process. As a result, it has never actually happened. (While several presidents have been impeached in the House, the latter half of the process has never been successfully sustained in the Senate.)

Surely we can make an exception when a President leads an insurrection against his own country…

Why not impeach and remove him?

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by Triv888 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:08 AM UTC

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #74

Is anyone concerned by the coordinated efforts of Facebook Google, Twitter, Discord, Reddit, and Apple today? If these groups and individuals that were banned were violating the TOS before, why did they leave them in place for so long? How do these companies decide when to enforce their rules, since obviously it's not immediately? And do they make deals with one another (I'll ban someone you don't like if you ban som…

Companies in the US are an arm of the machine and Trump is unfortunately (for him) an outsider and not a career politician.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by curiousllama » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:10 AM UTC

kypro wrote: post #172

Remember when people said "it's only extremists like Alex Jones" and "white nationalists", yeah well now Twitter has banned the president of the United States. I'm not a supporter of Trump, but I'm yet to hear him explicitly incite violence. I know he encouraged the protest at the Capitol but I've yet to see evidence that he was hoping for it to turn violent? And if he did want that why did he speak out against it? H…

> I’m yet to hear him explicitly incite violence

After a mob has killed a police officer, he said “we love you, you are patriots” ... half-hearted “go home” does not minimize a full throated “the election was stolen from us”.

If people are rioting over X, and you say “wow, X is really bad!” - is that not encouragement?

What, in your mind, is inciting violence? Iirc, he told supporters to punch protesters during the 2016 campaign, no?

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by unityByFreedom » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 4:14 AM UTC

tonystubblebine wrote: post #123

mullingitover wrote: post #53

It's going to be exhausting watching people explain how the First Amendment works, ad nauseam, over the next few days.

I would like to see people who are advocating for free speech on private platforms to expand what they are saying to also cover their position on property rights. Fine, fine, I get that a lot of people here are chilled by threats to open discussion. But please go further, how do you balance that with a private company's right to do what they want with their own product? I personally find it very threatening as a prod…

> how do you balance that with a private company's right to do what they want with their own product?

You're asking for logic from people who learned from a young age that doing bad things gets them attention.

Trump is their icon. He was quick and happy after the "capitol storm" riot to finally say there will be a peaceful transition on the 20th. Why? Because he was asked to do it and he feels he is being helpful by complying.

Nevermind that he created the problem in the first place. He's always felt, since a young age, that he didn't get enough attention, and only received it when he acted out. Like, when you use your fork to eat food for the first time and dad doesn't even look at you. Then you throw it on the floor and Dad is suddenly alert. Boom, that's a life lesson. Repeat that scenario 1,000 times, give the child a billion dollars and you get someone like Trump.