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Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by ttt0 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:45 AM UTC

tjr225 wrote: post #146

another_sock wrote: post #127

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Yes and when AWS shuts them down and ISPs block them, they are free to make their own servers and ISPs. And when the financial system shuts down their banking and all of their family members' and public supporters' banking, they are free to create a new banking system as well (assuming they can pay the regulatory fees and have people lobbying for them of course)

I’m not even going to pretend you’re attempting to make an argument in good faith. One could argue tech companies have a monopoly problem but you’re just saying a private company should allow anyone to say anything on their platform and throwing a ridiculous slippery slope out in front of it.

This slippery slope is real though. This is what happened to gab. They were kicked out from their domain registrar and payment processors, and Visa blacklisted the owner's family. Just saying.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by delecti » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:46 AM UTC

pdevr wrote: post #138

Question not directly related to this event, but triggered by this: Has any of the countries around the world built a communication mechanism to directly reach its people without using any third-party platforms? Isn't this a must, in case external/foreign malicious actors forcibly take control of the major third-party platforms used in a country someday in future?

Do state media platforms count? FDR had his radio broadcasts, the UK has the BBC, various countries have emergency broadcast systems. In any case, it's certainly not something a government would find difficult if they found a need, it's probably just too much more convenient to have media companies handle most of the time.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by jcranmer » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:46 AM UTC

mullingitover wrote: post #53

It's going to be exhausting watching people explain how the First Amendment works, ad nauseam, over the next few days.

A quote I saw (attribution: https://twitter.com/mattblaze/status/1347687216303263746):

> Now that Twitter has booted Trump, the next 24 hours will be devoted exclusively to people who don't understand the First Amendment explaining the First Amendment to people who do.

With a corollary I want to add that "everyone will believe themselves to be in the latter category."

Let's just avoid social media for a while and enjoy peace of mind.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by app4soft » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:47 AM UTC

erichocean wrote: post #64

app4soft wrote: post #57

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Here is better explained article on "The Washington Post".[0] P.S. He is also removed from Mastodon[1] too: > The page you were looking for doesn't exist here anymore. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/08/twitter... [1] https://mastodon.social/@realDonaldTrump

When Biden moves to the White House, he should remove Trump's Presidential portrait from the wall. Completely unperson the guy, like he never existed.

That is what was happen with an official website of the President of Ukraine[0] when Zelenskyy came into the office after Poroshenko on May 2019: all data & photo archive, stored until May 2019, was fully removed from website by new admins.

But that is another story...

P.S. In 2018 I uploaded photo of the highest flagpole with the State Flag of Ukraine from presidential website to Wikimedia Commons archive[3] (as photo archive was under CreativeCommons). Since 2019 this photo was removed[4] from presidential website... Probably that is the only survived direct copy of this photo (except those which are available in Internet Archive's WaybackMachine snapshots of this site).

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[0] https://president.gov.ua

[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20190520174801/https://www.presid...

[2] http://web.archive.org/web/20190519173435/https://www.presid...

[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Ukraine_over...

[4] http://web.archive.org/web/20190421232312/https://www.presid...

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by kumarvvr » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:49 AM UTC

sk5t wrote: post #160

kumarvvr wrote: post #34

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Yup. I blame Twitter too. They are too greedy. Just when their platform was receiving flak for not being profitable, trump comes on and they let him on because it was good business. Now that he is out of power, revenue from his enabling dwindles fast and criticism increases, so the business decision is to ban him.

This is a very naive take. Millions of Trumpers still want to engage with him on Twitter. The business equation hasn't changed.

Millions of trumpers engaging with him brings a lot less revenue than hundreds of millions of view of his one tweet.

It's all about advertising revenue and profits.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by getlawgdon » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:49 AM UTC

adnzzzzZ wrote: post #163

geofft wrote: post #80

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This sort of coordination is exactly what free markets do. There's no conspiracy or coordination other than that. You may as well imply that there was some sort of coordination between every marketing department releasing an ad saying "In these uncertain times..." last March. The coup failed, the dust settled, Biden will be inaugurated, and most importantly, the Democrats took control of the Senate for the next two y…

Wrong. They came to the same conclusion at the same time because their side of the battle finally won and now they can punish their enemies safely. That's all there is to it. Anything else is a rationalization. In the future if the other side ever wins again it should act the same way and punish their enemies too, in a stronger and more vindictive manner. And this should escalate until one side seizes total control o…

comical. destroy the right then.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by burnthrow » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:50 AM UTC

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #74

Is anyone concerned by the coordinated efforts of Facebook Google, Twitter, Discord, Reddit, and Apple today? If these groups and individuals that were banned were violating the TOS before, why did they leave them in place for so long? How do these companies decide when to enforce their rules, since obviously it's not immediately? And do they make deals with one another (I'll ban someone you don't like if you ban som…

Okay, hear me out... maybe, just maybe, it's not a conspiracy, and you're the crazy one for not understanding basic common sense.

Maybe.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by courtf » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:50 AM UTC

another_sock wrote: post #183

courtf wrote: post #174

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You think they'll stop there?! The homeless shelters will start asking who you voted for. They'll start testing fetuses in the womb for Trumpist DNA. St Peter will meet you at the pearly gates with a scroll containing all your tweets, and it still won't be enough! The aliens running the simulation have already started checking each other's privilege!!

The funny thing is despite your mockery of my reply, literally all the things I've mentioned have already happened to people in real life. It's just a matter of time until it's well known and happening to very milquetoast people. Eventually it will be happening to people you agree with, and when it does, remember this comment.

Some of the people I agree with are dead, murdered by people you agree with. Cry my a river a tears about your fascist leader being kicked off Twitter. I'd fill a snow globe and keep it in my desk.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by shripadk » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:51 AM UTC

getlawgdon wrote: post #187

shripadk wrote: post #141

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A historic event for whom? The United States right? Social Media operates in 100+ countries. What happened in USA is historic for you maybe. Not for us. USA is not the World. Regimes fall every now and then. Coup attempts happen all the time. I have never seen media or social media ban any Government account over it. I guess Social Media has a different conscience for when regime change/coup-d'etat happens in say Ira…

stop. so naive. trump has all kinds of media to use. in this case he was an irresponsible user and he was cut off, as happens all day long. just stop with the bloviation.

> stop. so naive. trump has all kinds of media to use. in this case he was an irresponsible user and he was cut off, as happens all day long. just stop with the bloviation.

I can't argue with dumbness. Big Tech literally has unlimited powers. What kind of media does Trump have? Nothing. You haven't thought it through. Every platform will keep banning Trump because of popular opinion. This is a very fucked up precedent. Today it is Trump, tomorrow it can be Biden. It can be Clinton. It can be any President/Prime Minister in the World. It can be any Government. It can be any Dictator. Unlimited power doesn't discriminate. It is not bloviation but just your inability to think it through as you want your short term issue to be resolved. This is how we enabled surveillance and become accustomed to it. We will become accustomed to censorship as well. Like a frog in slow boiling water.

Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules

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Post by scrollaway » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 3:53 AM UTC

cmroanirgo wrote: post #178

scrollaway wrote: post #96

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Are you implying it's "not a coincidence"? Because of course it's not. The bigger companies (twitter, facebook) minimized risk of fallout by waiting until DT's time in power was up and there was a good opportunity to do what they wanted (Jan 6th events), and the other companies are just following in their footsteps while it makes good PR. It's kinda like when BLM was hot in the news and companies decided to paint the…

> DT's time in power was up Isn't his time up on Jan 20? It really looks like collusion to this Aussie (me), who has no stake in the game. > while it makes good PR. I'm sure there's quite a few million Trump voters who would disagree it's good PR. As mercurial as he's been, he is still the sitting president of the country which lauds itself as the greatest (personally I disagree with the latter assessment). So, what…

His time is up on Jan 20th but since early November and with each passing day, his influence has grown weaker and his power has been waning. It's not a 100-to-0 thing.

Two weeks before the end of the term is just about as late as you can take such an action, short of taking it after the 21st (which twitter was rumored to be waiting for).

> what does it mean when the tech companies have put a gag on their own sitting leader?

I can ban my country's president from my own software platform if the mood strikes me. The reason twitter is different is because of the massive audience. What does it mean, indeed. I'm kinda looking forward to the republican reaction to this, maybe suddenly they'll care about the fact that media companies have insane amounts of power in the US.