I will never understand why small amount of tech companies should decide who goes into public who not.
Because they have the power. When you have power you get to decide the rule.
Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules
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#172Remember when people said "it's only extremists like Alex Jones" and "white nationalists", yeah well now Twitter has banned the president of the United States.
I'm not a supporter of Trump, but I'm yet to hear him explicitly incite violence. I know he encouraged the protest at the Capitol but I've yet to see evidence that he was hoping for it to turn violent? And if he did want that why did he speak out against it? He's also repeatedly said there will be a peaceful transfer of power.
Am I missing something here? I've been told I can be quite a naive person so perhaps I'm taking him at face value too much. Either way, I'd appreciate if someone could help me put my thinking right on this.
Also, does this mean we can expect Biden to be removed from Twitter if tweets anything in support of BLM? I'm not comparing events here but both protest groups have had pockets of violence. I suspect he wouldn't be and that points to a bigger problem here. If you think the wrong things like the election was conducted unfairly or you disagree with lockdowns, too bad, big tech will silence you online. If you believe conspiracy theories about Russian election interference or write a book called "in defence of looting" you're fine, you might even find you'll get praise from people in the media.
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#173Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because we let them.
Who are you to let this happen may i ask, if that's "you", who are the rest? and why the rest should bend into status-quo?
In theory it’s “the free market” in action. If your ideas are good and people want to hear them then you’d be able to find a platform to disseminate those ideas to an eager audience.
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#174Earlier quoted context omitted.
Theyre free to find another platform or make their own. Nice try though.
Yes and when AWS shuts them down and ISPs block them, they are free to make their own servers and ISPs. And when the financial system shuts down their banking and all of their family members' and public supporters' banking, they are free to create a new banking system as well (assuming they can pay the regulatory fees and have people lobbying for them of course)
You think they'll stop there?! The homeless shelters will start asking who you voted for. They'll start testing fetuses in the womb for Trumpist DNA. St Peter will meet you at the pearly gates with a scroll containing all your tweets, and it still won't be enough! The aliens running the simulation have already started checking each other's privilege!!
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#175Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules
#176Is anyone concerned by the coordinated efforts of Facebook Google, Twitter, Discord, Reddit, and Apple today? If these groups and individuals that were banned were violating the TOS before, why did they leave them in place for so long? How do these companies decide when to enforce their rules, since obviously it's not immediately? And do they make deals with one another (I'll ban someone you don't like if you ban som…
It's very concerning. This is a coordinated political action with unprecedented scale. You may agree with the action this time, next time you may not.
You’re talking about Trump right? Who reportedly manipulated the policing effort to prevent what happened?
His own party is disowning him after years of playing along.
This is a bit beyond violating a TOS.
Unaligned politically or voters in the other side outnumbered Trump. Yet he clings to fantasy he can just steam roll over them.
This has to be taken into a context that’s a bit more than dictionary definition of censorship.
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#177Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you implying it's "not a coincidence"? Because of course it's not. The bigger companies (twitter, facebook) minimized risk of fallout by waiting until DT's time in power was up and there was a good opportunity to do what they wanted (Jan 6th events), and the other companies are just following in their footsteps while it makes good PR. It's kinda like when BLM was hot in the news and companies decided to paint the…
How is that pathetic?
It's pathetic, imo, that companies like twitter and facebook pretend to take a principled stand, when they chose not to take that same stand EARLIER when it was riskier to do so (but made a lot more sense).
What happened here is opportunistic, not principled. There were plenty of other cases i can think of where companies did take riskier stands after evaluating pros and cons (cloudflare springs to mind). Those you can call principled.
Re: Twitter suspends Trump's campaign account TeamTrump for violating its rules
#178Is anyone concerned by the coordinated efforts of Facebook Google, Twitter, Discord, Reddit, and Apple today? If these groups and individuals that were banned were violating the TOS before, why did they leave them in place for so long? How do these companies decide when to enforce their rules, since obviously it's not immediately? And do they make deals with one another (I'll ban someone you don't like if you ban som…
Are you implying it's "not a coincidence"? Because of course it's not. The bigger companies (twitter, facebook) minimized risk of fallout by waiting until DT's time in power was up and there was a good opportunity to do what they wanted (Jan 6th events), and the other companies are just following in their footsteps while it makes good PR. It's kinda like when BLM was hot in the news and companies decided to paint the…
>DT's time in power was up
Isn't his time up on Jan 20? It really looks like collusion to this Aussie (me), who has no stake in the game.
> while it makes good PR.
I'm sure there's quite a few million Trump voters who would disagree it's good PR.
As mercurial as he's been, he is still the sitting president of the country which lauds itself as the greatest (personally I disagree with the latter assessment).
So, what does it mean when the tech companies have put a gag on their own sitting leader?
From the outside it looks very humorous (probably more humorous than what Mr Trump has been in the past 4 years!)
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#179Frankly yes. A tolerant society does not tolerate intolerance.
I don't think you've understood what an insane idea that is. Who defines intolerance? Historically that's the people in power. In the 50's that was the US government and powerful people like CIA Director J Edgar Hoover and Senator Joseph McCarthy who used their power to root out leftists, branding them as communists. They said free america could not tolerate the intolerant leftists because socialism and communists we…
Yes, the definition of tolerance in a society is often a function of its existing social consensus. So if your social consensus is flawed, tolerance of it is also flawed. But when the consensus in question is something like “you shouldn’t mob up and storm the legislature because you lost an election,” yes, the paradox of tolerance applies, unironically.
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#180I will never understand why small amount of tech companies should decide who goes into public who not.
They don’t. Anyone can post anything on their own website. In Trump’s case he can call a press conference.
> They don’t. Anyone can post anything on their own website.
Anyone but Trump or the banned-wagon. If Trump hosts a website on GoDaddy or any other hosting service, it will be removed immediately.
> In Trump’s case he can call a press conference.
Depends where it can be streamed. Given he's just been de-platformed from most streaming services for the general folk. CSPAN perhaps?
Sure the media will do it but they can't help but edit it after it has been streamed.