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FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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Let’s be blunt... because white people. This is the same thing that happened in Charlottesville and the after action review of Charlottesville made that clear. No one listened. The need here isn’t more police or more training or more gear. Any of those things would just be used to harm people of color and low income communities. What needs to happen is people stop being taken in by bad faith arguments about “free spe…

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Theres a video of the police letting the protesters into the capitol. They opened the door and are standing to the side EDIT: I urge people to go watch the video. My opinion is that many walking in thought it was a protest and was just something the group was doing.

All the comments talking about how the Capitol Police didn’t have any choice but to let the protestors in, the bigger question is why weren’t they reinforced with National Guardsmen, who were apparently ready and prepared for exactly this situation ahead of time. Linked article from four days ago. [1] 1. https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/dc-national-guard-activa...

The Mayor didn't foresee that it would be this bad, and didn't want an escalation. She declined help from the National Guard.

So the cops were stretched thin, and some "fought" bravely to defend the Capitol, while others were sympathetic to the rioters and let them in, as can be seen clearly in multiple videos.

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

#103

Theres a video of the police letting the protesters into the capitol. They opened the door and are standing to the side EDIT: I urge people to go watch the video. My opinion is that many walking in thought it was a protest and was just something the group was doing.

I agree, and I also urge people to watch this footage. It can be found here[1] (it is also featured for a few seconds in the other videos [2-4]).

There are two takes on this by comedian's here[2] and here[3], which I personally thought were intriguing (and funny).

There is also a comprehensive (serious) take here[4] showing a bunch of extra footage I hadn't seen yet.

If anyone watches these takes and disagrees with them, I would love to hear how specifically you don't agree?

Especially: how can it be explained the omissions shown in [4] that the media are making, e.g. not showing the several incidences where the masses of Trump supporters were actively stopping the violent provocateurs (protecting police, stopping them from smashing a window, etc)? I am genuinely curious.

[1] https://mobile.twitter.com/sugaspov/status/13469199432380006... [2] https://www.bitchute.com/video/bZCHyUgTc0o/ [3] https://youtu.be/xH9XWNz0GW4?t=219 [4] https://youtu.be/BwSxVvRFMJA

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is also video of them shooting and killing people trying to enter the capital and video of them actively pushing back and being overwhelmed. Much more than one out of context clip.

True, but I think that one was protecting the inner rooms, close to where pence was

There's plenty of fighting over barricades outside.

I can't find the video of the first, outer cordon falling anymore, but this is the second, inner cordon falling at the beginning of this clip, followed by attempts to stop the protesters on the steps:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PCHra6JuuQ&t=3s

Then there was desperate fighting over doorways inside the capitol building.

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

#105

So you're telling me there was more thoughtfulness in the risk assessment for the Area 51 Alien Raid meme from 2019 [0], than real threats on the U.S. Capitol? Fascinating. The FBI was knocking on people's door for that joke. [1] [0] https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/07/15/air-force-war... [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49667295

There's no way that they didn't purposely allow the capitol be breached. I don't think it's clear at this point to decide who made the call and why, but when the capitol has worse security than Mark McCloskey's house ... you know it wasn't an accident.

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

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post #103

Theres a video of the police letting the protesters into the capitol. They opened the door and are standing to the side EDIT: I urge people to go watch the video. My opinion is that many walking in thought it was a protest and was just something the group was doing.

I agree, and I also urge people to watch this footage. It can be found here[1] (it is also featured for a few seconds in the other videos [2-4]). There are two takes on this by comedian's here[2] and here[3], which I personally thought were intriguing (and funny). There is also a comprehensive (serious) take here[4] showing a bunch of extra footage I hadn't seen yet. If anyone watches these takes and disagrees with t…

This video is likely being misinterpreted. It doesn't really make any sense because there are masses of plain clothes citizens on this side of the barricade before it is opened, including the guy who steps forward and gestures for everyone to "come on over." The police and barricade where they were had already lost the line by this time. The zooming at the beginning makes it hard to see exactly who is lifting and moving the barricades, though. Perhaps frame by frame it could be better analyzed.

Considering [4] Rudy "trial by combat" Giuliani, I'm going to take a pass at using that as a news source. Allowing him to shape your message is probably not ideal!

Here's an analysis of the footage: https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/07/ask-politifac...

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

#107
post #103

Theres a video of the police letting the protesters into the capitol. They opened the door and are standing to the side EDIT: I urge people to go watch the video. My opinion is that many walking in thought it was a protest and was just something the group was doing.

I agree, and I also urge people to watch this footage. It can be found here[1] (it is also featured for a few seconds in the other videos [2-4]). There are two takes on this by comedian's here[2] and here[3], which I personally thought were intriguing (and funny). There is also a comprehensive (serious) take here[4] showing a bunch of extra footage I hadn't seen yet. If anyone watches these takes and disagrees with t…

So all the people who were framegrabbed and getting arrested were not Trump supporters, but antifa?

All the people physically confronting the police here a small minority of agent provocateurs?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PCHra6JuuQ&t=3s

Pretty ridiculous take, bro.

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

#108
post #6

Let’s be blunt... because white people. This is the same thing that happened in Charlottesville and the after action review of Charlottesville made that clear. No one listened. The need here isn’t more police or more training or more gear. Any of those things would just be used to harm people of color and low income communities. What needs to happen is people stop being taken in by bad faith arguments about “free spe…

You think there were white supremacists?

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

#109
post #35
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which at that point was probably the correct decision. What’s the other option? Get overwhelmed by the crowd or attacked from behind?

Gas, less-lethal bullets, flashbangs. The stuff I've been seeing a few blocks away for most of the summer. All of those things are really good at dispersing crowds.

Plenty of gas was used, and so were other less lethal weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PCHra6JuuQ&t=3s

Re: FBI, Homeland Security Int. Didn’t Issue Risk Assessment for ProTrump Protests

#110
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Odd, because the Mayor of DC (Black Female) very clearly refused help from the feds. "Washington, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser told federal law enforcement to stand down just one day before a mob of Trump supporters breached the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday, smashing windows, entering the chambers, and forcing lawmakers and congressional staff inside into lockdown. “To be clear, the District of Columbia is not requesting ot…

Depends on which news agencies you believe! The below articles report that the mayor was concerned and requested federal assistance. The Capitol Police however, refused help that was offered[0][1][2]. In the end two members of Capitol Police leadership resigned[3]. Their reasons for turning down assistance should be investigated. EDIT: Found an NPR article exploring this[4]. > Bowser's approach to security was clearl…

Her statement is right here [1] from Jan 5. on her own twitter account which, which is in the quote I posted.

Paraphrasing:

"We are prepared for this weeks activities and we are not asking for further assistance"

In the links you sent, only the first link seems to contradict this statement, links 1, 2 and 3 have nothing to say about it really, and link 4 backs up the above quotes and doesn't contradict them - that said, these are literally her own words verbatim on the Tweet.

Maybe her own words may be ironically out of context or misinterpreted?

I don't know what the answer, but her letter seems fairly straight forward.

Perhaps by the 5th she was more concerned with coordination, and not having tons of 'undercover' personnel?

What seems really odd, is why she wouldn't indicate that 'she had made a request that the Police subsequently denied' or at least hinted at that in the letter, at least to cover her rear as having not made the final decision?

In any event, her words to seem fairly clear.

With respect to the OP, and frankly a lot of the CNN-ish coverage with claims of 'racism!' - this really seems to discount that.

The Black Female mayor indicating 'we are prepared and not asking for further assistance' - literally in a public document seems pretty clear.

If anyone has any more information that would be helpful.

[1] https://twitter.com/MayorBowser/status/1346530358674792466?r...

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