Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by snowflake_ptr » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:37 AM UTC

gamblor956 wrote: post #576

caconym_ wrote: post #191

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What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

To follow up on caconym's comment, FBI has confirmed that more than a dozen explosive devices were found at the Capitol after the siege, including pipe bombs left in front of the DNC offices.[1] 5 people died. 50 officers were wounded, some seriously enough that they are still in the hospital. Multiple protestors had zip ties and other means of restraint on them, knives, and guns, and on their social media profiles w…

Seven people died in a single weekend of BLM riots[1], which happened throughout all of 2020. That was also terrorism, yet no social media company deplatformed any Antifa- or BLM-related group.

[1] https://www.insider.com/multiple-people-shot-dead-kentucky-i...

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by reddog » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:37 AM UTC

I am more concerened about people attacking the Bill of Rights than I am people attacking the capital building.

Bottom line: if you are anti-free speech, you are the baddie.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by anonuser123456 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:38 AM UTC

hartator wrote: post #598

caconym_ wrote: post #191

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What is “the other route”? They are being deplatformed because their speech is violent and damaging—in many cases it’s literal incitement to violence. Their legal cases are being rejected because they have no legal merit. The mainstream media refuse to take them seriously because they have again and again shown themselves to be bad faith actors, peddlers of unsubstantiated conspiracy, outright liars, and so on. I don…

70 people died because of the BLM riots and they are not getting deplatformed.

I would like to see a source on this.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by userbinator » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:38 AM UTC

tempsy wrote: post #23

Suddenly half the population is realizing the cons of centralized platforms. Curious if this moment sparks renewed interest in decentralized tech of yesteryear ie the good ol world wide web.

More likely, that half goes on to build its own centralized platform.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by alanchen » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:41 AM UTC

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/13/magazine/free-speech.html

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by drak0n1c » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:41 AM UTC

caconym_ wrote: post #594

zests wrote: post #439

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How do you decide which of the violent and/or damaging speeches to deplatform? I see nothing done except “use tribalism to decide.”

> I see nothing done except “use tribalism to decide.” I disagree. You don't need tribalism, for instance, to see that somebody spreading lies and conspiracy theories in a transparent attempt to undermine confidence in our elections is going to do an immense amount of damage to the institutions of our democracy if he isn't muzzled. We have to remember that truth is real, that people can act in good faith, and simply…

Who decides what counts as lies and conspiracy theory? What if they decide spreading the attitude that “all cops are bastards” or the notion that police shooting events are mostly motivated by bigotry a conspiracy theory that leads to additional violence and start banning tangential speech?

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Post by gwright » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:41 AM UTC

lc9er wrote: post #497

gwright wrote: post #343

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> Plotting armed violence to overturn a legitimate election result isn't. Not condoning any sort of violence or the riots from Wednesday but I think it is worth observing that the problem isn't that there are people who are trying to "overturn a legitimate election result". The problem is that there are people who believe that the election results were not legitimate. They are acting on that premise and so in their m…

> Simply asserting that they are wrong will not change things No one is “simply asserting”. They’ve dragged this to court and had ~60 cases thrown out for a lack of evidence. They’ve made the choice to ignore this and acted out, violently, at the prompting of their favorite social-media driven personalities.

You are too focused on the election. The divisions in the electorate pre-date the election. It should be noted that the vehement disagreement about the election is really centered on just a tiny percentage of the votes in a few swing districts.

My point about division is true even if everyone suddenly accepted that the election results were accurate. We need to figure out how to resolve those underlying political differences or every single future election is going to be problematic.

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Post by CameronNemo » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:42 AM UTC

nabla9 wrote: post #449

CameronNemo wrote: post #173

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Exactly. If they actually cared about censorship, they would promote Mastodon and host their own instance. But Parler is about maintaining the echo chamber, not free speech.

The biggest Mastodon federation instance is now Gab (far-right social media platform).

How much of the total network does that represent?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by nxc18 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:42 AM UTC

LetsPlayNice wrote: post #527

ratww wrote: post #438

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A large portion of extremists are not willing to discuss the results of the election even with other Republicans. People were calling Pence a traitor, boycotting Fox, etc. Those people are not willing to talk to or listen to anyone who's supposedly on their side but has a different opinion. What makes you think they will listen to the "other side"?

I understand what you're saying, but in my limited experience, it appears it isn't exactly what information is being presented so much as How it is presented. Often I see some with a differing opinion begin along the lines of: "You're an idiot Trumper, you're killing the planet!!" How about begin with a question to engage? For example: " why is it you think climate change doesn't exist? From the studies I've seen, I…

It’s really tiresome seeing the “Republicans are victims of the left“ meme over and over. You’ve controlled the government for years. You’ve mismanaged the pandemic, killing more Americans than world war 2. We’re not supposed to take the president’s words literally, unless he’s saying something that you happen to personally agree with.

And no, discussing studies doesn’t work. See the anti-vax debate. We’ve been pointing out the science on climate change and vaccines, clearly and respectfully, for _decades_ and it has not mattered.

I’ve never seen anyone directly start a persuasive argument with “you’re an idiot Trumper”. It isn’t that common. Your helpless victim attitude is showing.

Trump had every opportunity to win this election rightfully. He is not a victim and neither are you or his supporters. Stop playing one.

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Post by cmurf » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:42 AM UTC

nicbou wrote: post #11

Someone brought an interesting perspective in another thread and I can't shake it off. The other side keeps deplatforming them. Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. We're not even listening to them, because it's science and they're *ists if they disagree. We're not debating anymore. We just assume we're right. We are slowly squeezing a significant segment of the populat…

Parler, Apple, Google, Twitter are not public venues. In no possible way are they for public debate.

If you go on Parler and call Donald Trump a malignant narcissist, you will get banned. If you say too many political things on Hacker News, you get warned and banned.

None of these places are public venues. They are not the thing you seem to think they are. Maybe they aren't even what they have purported to be up until now.