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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by metabagel » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:07 AM UTC

sprw121 wrote: post #454

I'm not a Trump apologist, but I've spent time around his based. The second and third order effects of this are going to be terrible. You have a large portion of the country that feels disenfranchised, unheard, and forgotten (the rural American working class). This is why Trump got elected, and why the Capitol was stormed. These people had some hope and felt heard through Trump. Removing him, along with the purge of…

They've been heard, but it doesn't matter. The people they've chosen to follow keep stoking their feelings of grievance.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by chordalkeyboard » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:09 AM UTC

bargl wrote: post #560

oceanplexian wrote: post #537

IMHO there are things that are much more scary than some trespassing into government buildings or a riot. The possibility that we might slide backwards from traditionally liberal ideas spawned from the enlightenment is utterly terrifying. And we are rapidly heading in that direction.

I feel like after the twin towers were blown up. It was less than 100 individuals that were the impetuous for one of the worst pieces of legislation I know of. The Patriot Act. Which was voted on in a complete state of fear. Creating an extra judicial process for people who fit into a given category. I fear the reaction to this, which I'd argue is why Twitter needed a great press release to justify banning Trump (whi…

> I feel like we're in a reactionary state of shock where lawmakers may try to push laws that sound good to people who are in shock and fear.

Yes, less than a year after trump allowed the patriot act to expire.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by Fjolsvith » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:09 AM UTC

handmodel wrote: post #65

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

>Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally.

>Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

This happened all last year with Antifa/BML violence. No suspensions then?

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by umvi » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:11 AM UTC

beirut_bootleg wrote: post #809

I wish to remind everyone citing 1st Amendment that Jack Dorsey of the Twitter Party was not elected to Congress.

Yep, it's a great loophole to the 1A. Just move all public squares to the internet where voices can be censored with impunity by private corporations. Bonus points if your particular tech platform favors one political party. That way you technically aren't violating 1A, but the party you are buddies with get to benefit from the same net result.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by themacguffinman » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:12 AM UTC

kanzenryu2 wrote: post #200

thatswrong0 wrote: post #4

They let him concede, waited a day, and then nuked him. It's too little too late, but I'll take it.

First president in history to be banned from twitter

Just to keep things in perspective, Twitter was founded in like 2006 so Twitter has only lived through 3 presidents.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by dang » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:15 AM UTC

OCASM wrote: post #402

Welcome to the Soviet Union of America, where the Left can unperson even the sitting president of the country with full impunity.

Please stop using HN for ideological battle. You've been doing it a lot and we ban accounts that do that, regardless of the ideology they're battling for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the intended spirit (and the rules) when posting here, we'd be grateful.

The rules don't depend on how wrong other people are or how badly they behave. Everyone needs to take responsibility for the commons here.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by busymom0 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:18 AM UTC

Trump says America first - BANNED

Iran's Ayatollah says Death To America - allowed.

Just shows where people's allegiance lies.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by beirut_bootleg » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:19 AM UTC

umvi wrote: post #814

beirut_bootleg wrote: post #809

I wish to remind everyone citing 1st Amendment that Jack Dorsey of the Twitter Party was not elected to Congress.

Yep, it's a great loophole to the 1A. Just move all public squares to the internet where voices can be censored with impunity by private corporations. Bonus points if your particular tech platform favors one political party. That way you technically aren't violating 1A, but the party you are buddies with get to benefit from the same net result.

If that platform mentions in its TOS that "We hereby reserve the right to rescind your access to the platform if you talk shit about our corporate overlords or favorite political party", then I have no problem with it.

This is not the case today.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:25 AM UTC

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #331

bananabiscuit wrote: post #267

We don’t have to imagine. #BLM incited many riots which killed many people, what action did Twitter take there?

It is accurate to say BLM incited riots? I'll counter with this: BLM organized protests which were peaceful and then bad actors incited riots. What happened on the Capitol was not peaceful from the outset--people came up, climbed the wall, broke through the entryway, took a podium, etc.--they started it.

"BLM organized protests which were peaceful and then bad actors incited riots."

Interesting line of argument. How is it different from capitol climb? The protest in DC were mostly peaceful until after Trump ( and friends ) speech. It is just some bad actors, who incited riots.

"What happened on the Capitol was not peaceful from the outset--people came up, climbed the wall, broke through the entryway, took a podium, etc.--they started it."

This is where we may disagree. Initially, it was just a gathering. The wall climbing and all that jazz happened after speeches were over. Timeline is important.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 2:29 AM UTC

bargl wrote: post #560

oceanplexian wrote: post #537

IMHO there are things that are much more scary than some trespassing into government buildings or a riot. The possibility that we might slide backwards from traditionally liberal ideas spawned from the enlightenment is utterly terrifying. And we are rapidly heading in that direction.

I feel like after the twin towers were blown up. It was less than 100 individuals that were the impetuous for one of the worst pieces of legislation I know of. The Patriot Act. Which was voted on in a complete state of fear. Creating an extra judicial process for people who fit into a given category. I fear the reaction to this, which I'd argue is why Twitter needed a great press release to justify banning Trump (whi…

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