Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store • Hacker News Board

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by idiot900 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:52 AM UTC

xeeeeeeeeeeenu wrote: post #487

idiot900 wrote: post #329

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> why so many Democrats were allowed to encourage the BLM riots With regard to prominent Democratic politicians, this is factually untrue. They (and me) are good with peaceful protest, whether BLM or MAGA. There is absolutely no problem with peaceful pro-Trump protestors. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamala-harris-l... The invasion of the Capitol was not a peaceful protest - it was an insurrection.

This is AOC during the BLM riots: https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1334184644707758080 This is AOC during the Capitol riots: https://abc7ny.com/aoc-alexandira-ocasio-cortez-capitol-sieg... The hypocrisy is astonishing.

Surely you can do a better job of cherry picking things out of context. In the former link, she was talking about how certain terminology ("defund") made people uncomfortable. In the latter, she denounces a sitting President who incited an insurrection that placed her life personally in grave danger.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by ehvatum » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:52 AM UTC

modriano wrote: post #446

djsumdog wrote: post #132

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The purge has been happening for years. I hate how people on HN is praising this. There are literally few alternatives for the average person apart from Google and eyeProducts. I have a PinePhone, but what percentage of America can truly put in the effort to use one? If you cannot install an run your own software on a device, you do not own the device. You cannot praise the removal of Gab or Parlor now and complain l…

Are you at all worried about the possibility that America could have another civil war because a sufficiently large proportion of Americans are radicalized in uncensored, insufficiently moderated communities? Facebook's own research found “64% of all extremist group joins are due to our recommendation tools” and that most of the activity came from the platform’s “Groups You Should Join” and “Discover” algorithms: “Ou…

The proposition that free and open discussion creates civil war is frightening. If we are prepared to believe such a thing, then we have no democracy to protect.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by bitwize » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:53 AM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #132

post_break wrote: post #4

Wow, is this the great purge? I don’t support certain people, but man I don’t think this is going to end well. This censorship just seems crazy to me.

The purge has been happening for years. I hate how people on HN is praising this. There are literally few alternatives for the average person apart from Google and eyeProducts. I have a PinePhone, but what percentage of America can truly put in the effort to use one? If you cannot install an run your own software on a device, you do not own the device. You cannot praise the removal of Gab or Parlor now and complain l…

> I hate how people on HN is praising this.

In most countries in the world, you can go to jail for saying the wrong thing. This includes countries which are, for all practical purposes, freer than the USA -- like Germany, which hasn't renazified since WWII in part because of its hate speech laws.

So no, not everybody recognizes that unfettered expression is a universal good. There are places which have already experienced the danger of free-speech absolutism.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by valuearb » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:53 AM UTC

fireeyed wrote: post #537

SpaceRaccoon wrote: post #485

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> Or Parlour can just distribute as a web app. Okay. Then hosting providers refuse to host. Payment processors refuse to process your payments for web services. Your domains are revoked. Your SSL certs are revoked. Where does this end? If they have the power to, and they've justified it this far, why wouldn't they keep going?

You just described the coordinated takedown of Alex Jones from Apple, Twitter, Facebook, Google, Cloudflare et al in less than 2 hours.

Infowars is still up.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by 4234 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:53 AM UTC

ceph_ wrote: post #418

Thorentis wrote: post #328

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I seem to remember another group calling for the killing of politicians and cops recently. Huge protests, rioting, burning down police precincts. Some three letter acronym I can't remember...

Its amazing you can take the message of "cops shouldn't kill people" and spin it to be about killing the cops. It's a view of the world detached from reality.

The message was really "COPS ARE KILLING BLACK PEOPLE," yet most people killed by police are white (somehow none of these ever seem to merit national, 24/7 news coverage), and while a disproportionate number killed are black, they also commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime and have more violent encounters with police.

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Post by criddell » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:53 AM UTC

cabaalis wrote: post #333

rodgerd wrote: post #187

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Could you explain exactly what that line of thinking is, and why you're troubled by this?

Primarily right-wing apps, websites, subreddits, communities. I'm afraid there will be attempts to cite some kind of complicity and ban them. I'm troubled by it because right-wing != violent, and 74 million people voted for the republican candidate. Continuing to disenfranchise their speech options will not go well.

How do you reconcile that Google News still caries New Republic and The New American and lots of other Conservative publications. They don’t seem anti-conservative, just anti-extremist.

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Post by bun_at_work » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:53 AM UTC

ekianjo wrote: post #83

dumbfounder wrote: post #34

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Censorship - noun the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security. It is censorship. But not all censorship is bad.

> But not all censorship is bad. pretty much all dictators agree with you on that.

Yeah this is a valid point here.

If you think it should be illegal to yell "fire" in a crowded theater, you're a dictator.

If you think it should be illegal to create/sell/distribute child porn, you're a dictator.

Nice false equivalence. The US is divided right now because of bad faith arguments like this.

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Post by valuearb » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:53 AM UTC

adkadskhj wrote: post #511

SpaceRaccoon wrote: post #485

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> Or Parlour can just distribute as a web app. Okay. Then hosting providers refuse to host. Payment processors refuse to process your payments for web services. Your domains are revoked. Your SSL certs are revoked. Where does this end? If they have the power to, and they've justified it this far, why wouldn't they keep going?

This is the natural possibility of closed systems we all subscribe to. Your ISP is only one government call away from disconnecting you. The answer is relying on corporate sponsored freedoms is not enough. Open source tools and communication technologies need to be available.

Open source can’t solve the problem if government control exists.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:54 AM UTC

FDSGSG wrote: post #504

SpaceRaccoon wrote: post #485

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> Or Parlour can just distribute as a web app. Okay. Then hosting providers refuse to host. Payment processors refuse to process your payments for web services. Your domains are revoked. Your SSL certs are revoked. Where does this end? If they have the power to, and they've justified it this far, why wouldn't they keep going?

If nobody wants to do business with you, maybe you are the problem?

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Post by f430 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:54 AM UTC

3adawi wrote: post #86

awillen wrote: post #17

Good for them for not bothering with the half-assed CYA nonsense Apple is doing. "Give us a moderation plan in 24 hours" is just such a ridiculously unmeetable demand (at least if they require that plan to be anything close to actually feasible) that it's just pointless. Just kick them off. And to the people complaining about censorship, this is an app that was literally used to plan a violent attack on the capitol.…

Twitter, Facebook, Whatsapp etc. are all used to plan violent attacks, murders, burglaries and so on - all communication tools are used to do harmful acts, should we ban them all? Crazy that people are ok with what's been happening in the last few hours

people are actively cheering and celebrating the woman who got shot yesterday.

it's really insane how people who claim they are champions for human right and diversity rapidly descend into the inhumanity that they themselves blame the very country for.

If I was in America right now, I would get the hell out immediately. This is literally like watching the cultural revolution unfold step by step.