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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by OJFord »

As a result of the tweet deletions, actually the only thing I've seen/heard Trump say about it is 'stay peaceful', 'go home', etc . I only have secondary and tertiary sources for his inciting violence.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying their veracity, I just think it's interesting.

I think overall my opinion is 'it's up to Twitter what's on Twitter, whatever' - but also that personally I like its 'this claim is disputed' etc. banners, but I think the outright removals that destroy the record, break news articles, etc. are a shame.

Couldn't the more egregious stuff just be more like HN's greyscale demotion and 'showdead'? '¡This tweet contains false information, appears designed to incite violence! '? Sort of like 'some viewers may find the following scenes distressing'.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by yibg »

allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

I think there is too much equating free speech with consequence free speech. What we are seeing recently is (mostly) consequence free speech. The trump camp has been able to make blatantly false claims without any accountability (mostly, there are some threats and actual defamation lawsuits now). The bar needs to be relatively high, but I think there needs to be more consequences, especially for public officials, in spreading blatantly false information.

We already have this in some places anyways, like courts. Why can’t we apply this more stringently for government officials?

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by bdowling »

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

> Perhaps they have a strategic reason for going about this how they did

One advantage may be that once the context is forgotten it will appear that Twitter has set a low bar for banning a powerful world leader from the platform.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by ideamotor »

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by yawaworht1978 »

Trump had too much power, he either "made" people like that crazy to the bones q shaman guy or made them feel at home. Watch the interviews with him, he has read and believes ever conspiracy theory out there. The mindset of the fringe of these q anon people is what gives isis and all a pool too draw fanatic suicide bombers with a seemingly deactivated brain. Their leaders will drop them like hot potato's when it is opportunistic to do so. I did find some of his old tweets entertaining and funny but his role is not to be a comedian.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by busymom0 »

svaha1728 wrote: post #378
busymom0 wrote: post #141

I am loving people who don't understand that they are literally supporting billionaires while claiming to be anti-corporate resistance. Definition of Liberal used to be: "Willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas. Relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise." I am still a…

I live in the Midwest. Attacking black people on the street, kidnapping elected officials, these are not ‘new’ ideas I’m open to. Yet this is happening, and escalating... and most certainly Trump is the tip of the spear for that movement in this part of the world. Let’s spend some time reading books, maybe we can go back to solving illusive pedophile rings online when we are better educated as a species.

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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by busymom0 »

It took two years to go from banning Alex Jones to banning of the President of the United States.

Some slopes really are slippery. Everyone cheering for this censorship from billionaire elites while claiming to be part of resistance doesn't know what's coming for them.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by zmmmmm »

I wonder how hard it was for them to restrain themselves from citing the debate around section 230 in this.

Because the reality is, this is exactly what 230 would mandate - to a much greater extent and much earlier than it is currently done.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by mmmBacon »

This issue is way bigger than Trump.

While many are likely rejoicing that Trump has been silenced, I think this decision is short-sighted and bad for everyone all around. Love him, hate him, Trump is the President of the United States and nobody on either side of the political aisle is going to forget that an unaccountable group of people silenced and censored the President of the United States.

While this may seem like a victory in the short-term, I do not think the power structure in Washington is going to just going to move on after Trump is out.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by dan-robertson »

admiralspoo wrote: post #202

Note that accounts such as Iran's Kamenei or those associated with groups in Pakistan, which have called for the destruction of Israel, are not banned https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir

I think this move by Twitter isn’t part of some bigger policy (or if it is, then it is surely just the start.) There are plenty of (worse?) examples that Twitter and Facebook essentially ignored or (maybe mostly Facebook) amplified like in Sri Lanka or Myanmar.

I view this ban as a result of internal politics at Twitter as more people have sided with those employees who don’t like trump (er, basically all of them) and want to replay form him. Maybe I’m wrong and it’s really motivated by self interest given fear of some legislation other than a defence spending bill being passed, but it makes me feel better to imagine that these decisions are the result of careful moral thought and ethical considerations rather than some political calculation or CEO’s journey of self discovery

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