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Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by kats »

djsumdog wrote: post #293
anonacct38 wrote: post #151

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If wal-mart stops selling a brand of ice cream, is that censorship? Is it censorship that wal-mart doesn't sell playboy in their store? If not, then why is the removal of an app from the app store censorship? The world wide web still exists. Parler is still on the internet. Seems like there should be some acknowledgement that there's a difference between refusing to actively participate in distributing content and ce…

You have Wal-Mart, Target, Wal-greens, CVS, BestBuy, MicroCenter, tons of mom-and-pop stores (until all the world leaders drove all of them to bankruptcy due to COVID) Say you had two stores: Walmarket and Toget. That's it. That's all you got. Toget stops telling a brand of ice cream and you literally cannot sell it anywhere else other than Toget and Walmarket because someone would have to drive 2 hours out of their…

IMO it's worse than that, because there's a duopoly where both the stores coordinate to do this at the same time. And the intent of it is political, they're trying to end someone else's business because the owner is on the other political team. And that's not even where it ends, next they'll come after their web hosting and credit cards.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

rrose wrote: post #456
JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #247

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The vast majority of BLM protests were peaceful. > ...93 percent of the protests associated with BLM were entirely peaceful... Yet our government treats left-wing protests and right-wing protests quite differently. > Between May 1 and November 28, 2020, authorities were more than twice as likely to attempt to break up and disperse a left-wing protest than a right-wing one. And in those situations when law enforcement…

this comment being downvoted really reveals the character of the discussion here.

I think some of the questions posed in this thread are quite difficult and strike to the core of human psychology. This is a difficult moment for everybody. If we observe a somewhat tribal response, we should not be surprised.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22206533

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by PurpleFoxy »

jfk13 wrote: post #393
PurpleFoxy wrote: post #376

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This is a big point. I feel it’s acceptable for google to remove whatever they want because android allows you to install the apk directly. IMO apple should either be forced to allow side loading apps or to accept everything within reason to the App Store.

And who is the arbiter of "within reason"?

For me it would just be “complies with the laws of the country”

An acceptable compromise I think would be to have unlisted apps that can’t be found on the top charts or in search but can be installed via the App Store with a link.

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Post by SquareWheel »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #258
jackson1442 wrote: post #177

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Did the BLM riots promote sedition? That's probably why. Also worth noting that there was no property damage or injuries in more than 97 to 98% of protests[1] [1]: https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-di...

Wherein 100 people spilling over a barrier into a government building (and one of them getting shot to death) is somehow worse than the aforementioned billions in property damage and assaults on cops, smashed police cars, passersby attacked, stores looted, fires set... in 12 different cities around the nation?

You know that five people died, right? Bombs were planted, property was stolen. All this to protest a legitimate election.

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Post by SpaceRaccoon »

valuearb wrote: post #359
djsumdog wrote: post #132

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The purge has been happening for years. I hate how people on HN is praising this. There are literally few alternatives for the average person apart from Google and eyeProducts. I have a PinePhone, but what percentage of America can truly put in the effort to use one? If you cannot install an run your own software on a device, you do not own the device. You cannot praise the removal of Gab or Parlor now and complain l…

If you must have a native mobile app, you can download it from alternative stores. Or Parlour can just distribute as a web app. Businesses don’t have any right to force other businesses to carry their products.

> Or Parlour can just distribute as a web app.

Okay.

Then hosting providers refuse to host.

Payment processors refuse to process your payments for web services.

Your domains are revoked.

Your SSL certs are revoked.

Where does this end? If they have the power to, and they've justified it this far, why wouldn't they keep going?

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Post by xeeeeeeeeeeenu »

idiot900 wrote: post #329
Nacdor wrote: post #150

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I'm curious why so many Democrats were allowed to encourage the BLM riots (more than 25 dead, $2 billion in property damage) without so much as a peep from Google, Twitter, Facebook or any other tech giant. Kamala Harris said "they should not stop" and helped with a bail fund for the people who were involved with them. I think protest is a fundamental requirement of democracy, and as Chris Cuomo himself reminded us:…

> why so many Democrats were allowed to encourage the BLM riots With regard to prominent Democratic politicians, this is factually untrue. They (and me) are good with peaceful protest, whether BLM or MAGA. There is absolutely no problem with peaceful pro-Trump protestors. https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamala-harris-l... The invasion of the Capitol was not a peaceful protest - it was an insurrection.

This is AOC during the BLM riots: https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1334184644707758080

This is AOC during the Capitol riots: https://abc7ny.com/aoc-alexandira-ocasio-cortez-capitol-sieg...

The hypocrisy is astonishing.

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Post by bun_at_work »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #243
danijelb wrote: post #127

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Real censorship means that the government prosecutes you for speech, no matter where or how or to whom are you saying it. That was happening in parts of Europe from 1945 to 1990. This what is happening in USA right now is nowhere near that. It's just free market. If you're banned from a certain platform you can reach your audience in another way. No one is censoring your speech. It's just a certain company not wantin…

I made this comment in another thread but I think we are few year from it being forced by the Supreme Court as it has ruled very close to this in the past. > ... noting that ownership "does not always mean absolute dominion." The court pointed out that the more an owner opens his property up to the public in general, the more his rights are circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who are inv…

This actually isn't the case as long as Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act exists [1].

The section has two parts, the first of which protects the platform (Twitter, Google Play Store, FB, etc) from prosecution for user-generated content on the platform.

The second part, more relevant here, ensures the right of the platform to moderate it's users anyway it sees fit. If r/conservative can ban anyone for saying anything on the subreddit, or Parler can ban you for dropping leftist talking points, the Play Store can ban your app for enabling domestic terrorism.

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230

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Post by claw_howitzer »

rayiner wrote: post #396
anonacct38 wrote: post #151

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If wal-mart stops selling a brand of ice cream, is that censorship? Is it censorship that wal-mart doesn't sell playboy in their store? If not, then why is the removal of an app from the app store censorship? The world wide web still exists. Parler is still on the internet. Seems like there should be some acknowledgement that there's a difference between refusing to actively participate in distributing content and ce…

When Hollywood voluntarily removed certain movies and ideas during the black list it was justified for the same reason these bans are justified: these ideas are harmful to society. And it was deemed censorship. In fact it’s an archetypal example of censorship. Government action isn’t required unless you’re talking about the 1A. And this is yet another escalation on the road that started with “we’re just going to cens…

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