Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store • Hacker News Board

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by Barrin92 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:35 AM UTC

neaden wrote: post #299

djsumdog wrote: post #132

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The purge has been happening for years. I hate how people on HN is praising this. There are literally few alternatives for the average person apart from Google and eyeProducts. I have a PinePhone, but what percentage of America can truly put in the effort to use one? If you cannot install an run your own software on a device, you do not own the device. You cannot praise the removal of Gab or Parlor now and complain l…

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>I can't imagine the world

this is the world of techbro-ism with people making 200k per year living in sheltered neighbourhoods, more concerned about their online speech than having a boot on their neck. It's actually completely in line with the audience of this site

the literally most upvoted comment is some random rant about the 'great purge' let that sink in.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by newacct583 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:35 AM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #382

newacct583 wrote: post #196

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That's whataboutism and conflation. It's possible to believe that BLM-related vandalism and anarchism is bad and that an attack on congress is bad. But... sorry, a direct attack on a joint session of congress that forces the lawmakers and VP to be evacuated is WORSE than what happened in Portland. This country can tolerate another bunch of fires and broken statues outside the Portland Federal Courthouse. I don't thin…

It wasn't exactly an attack; it was a bunch of protesters, trespassing into the building during a very important session. Illegal and wrong, mind you, but hardly a terrorist attack that it's being painted as. A group of kooks and extremists who should have, and could have, been kept out by proper policing. The Capitol police really screwed up. Actually in a way it's good that it happened; exposed some major security…

> It wasn't exactly an attack

Then why was congress evacuated? Why are multiple people on camera screaming "Where is Pence?!" and threatening to hang him? Why was that cop killed?

That's ridiculous, sorry. It was a chaotic attack, sure. And surely there were some people there who just wandered in with the crowd and didn't want to hurt anyone. But this is an attack on congress. Be real.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by disposekinetics » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:36 AM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #432

refurb wrote: post #304

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Exactly. Now is not the time to be quibbling about constitutional rights or the influence of big tech on political discourse. We'll deal with all that petty stuff when the crisis is over.

Yep, I'm sure those rights will be restored once the "crisis" is over. That's what governments always do.

Just like after 9/11, that worked out well for everyone right?

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by usrusr » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:36 AM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #132

post_break wrote: post #4

Wow, is this the great purge? I don’t support certain people, but man I don’t think this is going to end well. This censorship just seems crazy to me.

The purge has been happening for years. I hate how people on HN is praising this. There are literally few alternatives for the average person apart from Google and eyeProducts. I have a PinePhone, but what percentage of America can truly put in the effort to use one? If you cannot install an run your own software on a device, you do not own the device. You cannot praise the removal of Gab or Parlor now and complain l…

> If you cannot install an run your own software on a device, you do not own the device.

ADB doesn't require individual clearance from Google, you can install any apk you like. In fact you don't even need ADB, you can just install an apk downloaded from the web if you uncheck "only verified sources" in settings. Google is merely removing Play Store convenience (and distribution channel safety). Providing that Play Store convenience costs them real dollars for computing resources and they chose to not do that anymore for the app in question.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by systemvoltage » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:36 AM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #258

jackson1442 wrote: post #177

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Did the BLM riots promote sedition? That's probably why. Also worth noting that there was no property damage or injuries in more than 97 to 98% of protests[1] [1]: https://today.uconn.edu/2020/10/study-2020-protests-shows-di...

Wherein 100 people spilling over a barrier into a government building (and one of them getting shot to death) is somehow worse than the aforementioned billions in property damage and assaults on cops, smashed police cars, passersby attacked, stores looted, fires set... in 12 different cities around the nation?

Overthrowing the government by force, to infiltrate a congressional electoral process, planning to murder/hold-hostage dissendents and lawmakers, to help the sitting president seize power after a lawful and fair election.

Sure, that's the same as people angry when theyre throwing stones at cops after killing them in sleep. I don't support BLM violence, just that your view is showing some bias towards a particular narrative - I think you should see the storming of the US Capitol as massively symbolic thing that has shaken the world.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:36 AM UTC

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #267

djsumdog wrote: post #132

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The purge has been happening for years. I hate how people on HN is praising this. There are literally few alternatives for the average person apart from Google and eyeProducts. I have a PinePhone, but what percentage of America can truly put in the effort to use one? If you cannot install an run your own software on a device, you do not own the device. You cannot praise the removal of Gab or Parlor now and complain l…

How can the bans (being de-platformed) be more horrific than the actual violence that's occurred?

This is going to sound incredibly cold and callous, but the comparison needs to be made.

One woman was shot. 4 others died for medical reasons. One was a heart attack. One was a police officer.

Tragic deaths, to be sure. And the photos really do feel horrific. But do single digit casualties justify all this? Gang violence and crime kills way more people and police officers on a daily basis. Are we really setting the value of our liberal values that low to justify all this censorship and deplatforming?

The events on the 6th, while horrific, have given a handful of big corporations control over national discourse and communication. That scares the daylights out of me. Was this all it took?

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by setr » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:36 AM UTC

wnevets wrote: post #370

setr wrote: post #224

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I'm basically seeing 4 posts about "kill " and otherwise standard speeches... and then someone later posts screenshots about Jan 20 re-org posted on twitter.. It seems like the basic political discourse you find on twitter, fb and every other social media system, both red and blue posters, at pretty much the same level of intelligence; I'm really not seeing anything there that doesn't equally merit the banning of, we…

How about these [1], are they just basic political discourse find on twitter, fb and every other social media system? [1] https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347190280492089344

...yes? What do you think gets posted during basically every political event? BLM, obama election, trump election, biden election, etc... Calls for riot and murder are like the standard go-to on social media, if only because extreme posts gather a lot more steam than anything diluted.

I mean shit we just went through 4 years of liberals and conservatives fighting over this shit dramatically all over twitter -- I'm really struggling to find the new extremes you're finding in these; the only thing I can figure is you're giving it more weight because this topic translated into physical activity, where most such content just flames up digitally and dies out

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by KillTrumpNow » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:36 AM UTC

andrewvc wrote: post #36

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #11

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Parler has terms of service that prohibit calls for violence. My guess is that the moderators (I'm one) simply can't keep up with the volume.

If you run a social network and can’t keep up with moderation for calls for violence you shouldn’t be allowed to be in business. This goes for the big tech companies as well. “It’s hard” is not an excuse.

Trump should be killed as soon as he leaves office! PATRIOTS UNITE!

(let's see how long this stays up)

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by RyEgswuCsn » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:36 AM UTC

danijelb wrote: post #127

jpxw wrote: post #28

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You realise that it’s possible for entities outside of the government to censor things, right? That word isn’t only applicable to state actions, and nor should it be.

Real censorship means that the government prosecutes you for speech, no matter where or how or to whom are you saying it. That was happening in parts of Europe from 1945 to 1990. This what is happening in USA right now is nowhere near that. It's just free market. If you're banned from a certain platform you can reach your audience in another way. No one is censoring your speech. It's just a certain company not wantin…

Sometimes I feel that the free market argument doesn't apply to media platforms. This is because the effectiveness of a media platform (or any mass media, for that matter) is largely determined by its market/usage share; in other words, smaller or alternative media platforms cannot be considered as a working substitution to the dominate platforms. And since the user distribution of social media tends to follow the power law (i.e. the "can't switch 'cause all my friends are using it and they won't switch due to the same reason" phenomenon), it is almost inevitable that a single platform will eventually monopolise the sector if left unregulated. banning a user from using the most popular media channel would mean he/she is no longer able to communicate his/her opinion effectively even he/her is able to choose a less popular alternative.

tl;dr: one can always switch their phone if they don't like Apple because the usefulness of a phone doesn't depend on its popularity; one can't practically switch their social media platform if they are banned because the usefulness of the social media depends on its popularity, and the most popular platform typically dominates due to the power law.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by Darmody » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:36 AM UTC

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #292

Darmody wrote: post #146

Let's ban Parler but we'll keep Twitter, even though the platform is full of messages like this [1] and worse. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20210107225836/https://twitter.c...

That tweet is unavailable now. Was it moderated by chance?

I don't know if it was removed by him or by twitter. But still. Get on twitter and you'll see many similar comments and accounts that encouraged violence and defended rioters this whole past year.

If you're going to be tough on people like that, don't cherry pick.