Google Bans Parler from the Google Play Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Google Bans Parler from the Google Play Store

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Post by eyelidlessness » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:27 AM UTC

throw_m239339 wrote: post #24

mastazi wrote: post #15

Lately I have discovered that progressive web apps can work quite well on mobile devices, to the point that they can be undistinguishable from native apps. I wonder if PWAs will become more common as a result of the divided political spectrum.

off topic, but as a developer, I still have not figured out what is the difference between a website and a "progressive web app". I just don't get why a bunch of different features makes websites any different. It really just sound like a marketing buzzword too me, not backed by any meaningful technical paradigm change. What makes them 'progressive'? To me the problem with webapps in general or (rich internet applica…

Not that I want to promote getting parler on more screens, but for the purpose of general tech education the term “progressive web app”/PWA is used for websites which include a manifest for installation as a “native” app on supporting platforms, and offline functionality when used locally without a network connection. They’re “indistinguishable” from native apps because they’re basically electron for phones, except standards-based.

Re: Google Bans Parler from the Google Play Store

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Post by Acrobatic_Road » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:28 AM UTC

millzlane wrote: post #28

Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being completely robbed of an outlet for your frustrations while people call for you to be murdered on twitter. https://cdn.cnsnews.com/styles/article_big/s3/2021-01/Arthur...

Are they actual nazis? No one is robbing anyone of anything. They're completely able to create their own domain and host their facistgarbage.html

Until your domain is revoked, you get kicked off by your host, you get financially censored, etc, etc. When are people going to admit big tech has too much power?

Re: Google Bans Parler from the Google Play Store

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Post by lame-robot-hoax » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:28 AM UTC

the_drunkard wrote: post #34

This action doesn't hold up to historical treatment of other apps /platforms. Was Facebook banned from app stores when shooters live streamed on their platform? Was Twitter banned from app stores when calls for violence against Nick Sandmann were spreading? Was Youtube banned from app stores when it was discovered that child predators were lurking in the comments and exploiting underage children?

Those sites were, or since then, have made active attempts to prevent these things from happening.

Parler has no moderation and the CEO doesn’t believe they are accountable for anything that happens on or because of their app. Ergo, if I allow someone to build a bomb in the privacy of my own home, I’m not guilty because I didn’t actually build the bomb and deploy it.

Re: Google Bans Parler from the Google Play Store

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Post by Acrobatic_Road » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:29 AM UTC

ffs_123321 wrote: post #27

Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being completely robbed of an outlet for your frustrations while people call for you to be murdered on twitter. https://cdn.cnsnews.com/styles/article_big/s3/2021-01/Arthur...

"Murder" by definition is an unlawful killing. When you storm the fucking Capitol building with a mob wielding deadly weapons and openly discussing hanging the Vice President, you are not protesting you are committing suicide by cop. Get your head out of your ass.

You are generalizing all the protesters based on what some of them did. The woman who did get murdered was unarmed. And Arthur Chu isn't just talking about the people at the capitol - he's talking about all trump supporters.

Re: Google Bans Parler from the Google Play Store

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Post by jjulius » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:29 AM UTC

Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #16

jhk4 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What treatment in particular do you think justifies calls for violence on the part of Trump supporters?

Being completely robbed of an outlet for your frustrations while people call for you to be murdered on twitter. https://cdn.cnsnews.com/styles/article_big/s3/2021-01/Arthur...

What are they being robbed of? Parler.com is still up and perfectly accessible from a mobile browser. The app should also continue to function for those who already have it.

Re: Google Bans Parler from the Google Play Store

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Post by cafed00d » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:29 AM UTC

holler wrote: post #10

Is there any argument for anti-competitive behavior here? It's weird because Google/Apple don't directly compete with Parler or other alternate social media sites, but they are clearly in the same bed with those who do, Facebook, Twitter. For instance Jack Dorsey recently admitted that his employees coordinate with employees at the other big tech companies on moderation actions. I'm just wondering what if any legal c…

There is absolutely nothing competitive about coordinating about moderation policies.

If Twitter and Facebook software engineers were coordinating about what rules to define in their respective orgs for a company-wide JavaScript linter then that would not be considered anti-competitive.

That is precisely what content moderation policies are — rules to prevent filthy code from perpetuating. Filthy code can sometimes come in the form of incitements to violence. Other times it’s a recursive function with no base case.

Re: Google Bans Parler from the Google Play Store

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Post by burnthrow » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:30 AM UTC

userbinator wrote: post #31

TigeriusKirk wrote: post #6

I'd really hoped for de-escalation, but we're going in exactly the opposite direction.

The end-game is naturally to associate "sideloading" (i.e. downloading and installing software from anywhere yourself... the way it used to be), jailbreaking, and other activities --- possibly up to and including general-purpose computers --- with terrorism/racism/far-right extremism/etc. Yesterday was merely a very convenient moment for all of Big Tech to start the squeeze.

Until the past few days, I had no idea this site was legion with the basest /r/conspiracy buffoons. Now I'm definitely gone, you can have it.

Re: Google Bans Parler from the Google Play Store

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Post by Yetanfou » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:31 AM UTC

threeseed wrote: post #25

rvz wrote: post #3

Coordinated bans everywhere. Build your own platform they said. They'll just instruct them to download the APK on their phones instead, just like Epic games did for Fortnite. Even so, I think it will only get worse. They'll also move to encrypted chat apps instead. So when will Signal and Telegram be targeted and banned from the App Store or Google Play Store?

> So when will Signal and Telegram be targeted and banned They won't. Because neither is promoting the use of its platforms for illegal behaviour. Or refusing to take responsibility if such behaviour is found. Parler CEO said "I don't feel responsible for any of this and neither should the platform".

Twitter was and is used to coordinate illegal behaviour, the riots of last summer are a good example. When will Google and Apple ban Twitter?

They won't. The question is why Twitter is allowed on these platforms but not Parler or Gab or whatever other Twitter-competitor.

Re: Google Bans Parler from the Google Play Store

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Post by millzlane » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:31 AM UTC

verwyrelevant wrote: post #48

millzlane wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government didn't do it. Noone is arresting anyone for group think or saying what they want. People are just kicking them out of their houses. Don't like it? Build your own house, make your own rules. Fund your own cause.

This comic is very relevant to your point: http://stonetoss.com/comic/build-big/ Don't complain when it starts happening.

Makes sense. But mail order still exists. At least we can still say what we want to promote change without fear of arrest from our government. If the argument is just. I'm sure it will do well on it's own. Democracy isn't perfect but it's better than the alternatives.

Re: Google Bans Parler from the Google Play Store

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Post by millzlane » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:33 AM UTC

tasogare wrote: post #49

millzlane wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government didn't do it. Noone is arresting anyone for group think or saying what they want. People are just kicking them out of their houses. Don't like it? Build your own house, make your own rules. Fund your own cause.

The government doesn’t need to do it, since it has been replaced on a lot of matter by corporations. Never in history companies held that much power on people’s life. Arguing for deplatforming because "muh private" is missing the fact democracy emerged to limit the most powerful entity at the time (government). Now that companies are the most powerful element of society, their power needs to be limited as well.

They're not the most powerful. They're just the most popular. There is a difference. They have ZERO control over your life. I know because I don't use any of them and I live just fine.