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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by tootie »

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

That's just incredibly obtuse. Obviously "patriot" isn't an epithet but applying to the people you just incited to an armed revolt against our elected government makes this absolute worst thing he's ever said.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by yskchu »

sixothree wrote: post #356
shiado wrote: post #115

74 million voters. This is not going to play out well. There's really no coming back from this moment, the technocratic elite have changed American democracy forever. Edit: I mean this in the way Snowden tweeted yesterday, it will be interesting how this plays out for better or worse, but it is a monumental policy shift that will be a date marked in history books.

There have been closer elections in recent history. Why are you giving this particular one such outsized proportion? You didn't see this sort of reaction in 2000, and that was far far closer. And to be clear, this election was 306 to 232. That is considered a landslide in my book (meaning my 40+ years of living). And in percentages, you can see just how poorly Trump performed in this election - 51.4% to 46.9%. 2000 w…

> You didn't see this sort of reaction in 2000, and that was far far closer.

Just a comment on this point, I see two huge differences:

1) Gore conceded. On 13-Dec 2000. Trump only just "conceded", and still called it rigged, stolen etc. It makes a big difference when the leader concedes.

2) Technology has totally change the landscape in the last 20 years. There are now plenty of spaces on the Internet, huge echo chambers, allowing people to share posts and fuel each others hatred, spread misinformation, organise and mobilise.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by greedo »

hindsightbias wrote: post #512

While your High School Civics class said a lot of things, the reality is (most of) The Founders got together because they saw where things were headed and they were terrified of mob violence that was breaking out in the colonies. They worried that either the Brits would arrive a crush things, or the locals would turn on them with tar and feather. So they got together and engineered a very weak democracy, unsure which…

Your "reality" of early American history is nonsense.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by mediumdeviation »

paganel wrote: post #224

It's a purge, had just read 5 minutes ago that they had suspended Michael Flynn's account, now I'm seeing that FB has decided to ban a community of over half a million people [1] supposedly because their political opinions are not in the best interest of FB the company right at this moment. Of course, I had to get all that info from thedonald.win because almost no-one else is talking about this. Coincidentally, I als…

> Of course, I had to get all that info from thedonald.win because almost no-one else is talking about this.

Except on the news media [1], or the largest politics community on one of the largest social networks on the Internet [2].

[1]: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-bans-michael-...

[2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/ktcafe/twitter_ba...

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by zapnuk »

krona wrote: post #328
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #168

Okay, let's retroactively suspend John McCain for singing "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb bomb Iran" on a hot mike. President George W. Bush should be suspended for invading Iraq on false or flimsy pretexts, resulting in 6,000 American soldiers killed and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. Obama lied when he said "you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan" eleven times and this turned out not to be true (90% anyway). Sh…

If Gutenberg could've been pressured in to restricting what combinations of words were allowed in his press, the enlightenment ultimately may never have happened. Simple as that. The problem is today's printing presses are not owned by the people who use them, and can be confiscated without warning or recourse. The consequence will be the end of liberal society, but society will demand it.

Gutenberg is one example, Hitler another one.

It like people already forgot that followers of the president committed an domestic terror attack right after attending his rally.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by cure »

rattlesnakedave wrote: post #341
ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

>I think it will have some negative 2nd/3rd order effects. that they haven't yet realized. This is correct. The type of person that stormed the capitol will perceive this as an escalation. I’m sure that’s not what we need, but I’m also sure that there is no good way out of this mess.

> The type of person that stormed the capitol will perceive this as an escalation. I’m sure that’s not what we need, but I’m also sure that there is no good way out of this mess.

I actually think that the reason we are in this mess is because there have been zero consequences for terrible behavior, so far.

Of all the terrible things Trump has done, it has taken inciting a riot, an attempted overthrow of our democratically elected government, for him to loose his megaphone. Why was incarcerating children at the border not enough? Or encouraging those "fine people" in Charlottesville who murdered a woman? Or one of the many other instances of him spewing hate?

We need more accountability. Actions have consequences, and it is long overdue that those people who take irresponsible, harmful actions, either out of desire for personal gain or sheer idiocy, start feeling the consequences.

The right is supposedly the side to which "law and order" appeals. Trump and his people are exactly the kind of people who need to know that they will get punished to the full extent of the law when they misbehave. That's the only thing that will keep them in line.

Because it's not like they have a moral compass to fall back on.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by cwkoss »

avalys wrote: post #317
meekmockmook wrote: post #74

As I said in the Apple-Parler thread: Massive Big Tech conglomerates must be busted through antitrust enforcement and Section 230 must be updated to ban predatory algorithms which have inflamed 7 years of sectarian chaos and violence. It's not a free speech issue: It's about Too Big To Fail. They have too much power, beyond that of even the world's largest governments. This cannot stand.

In what sense is Twitter a "Massive Big Tech conglomerate"? They're merely a successful platform.

What percentage of modern "news" articles use tweets as the primary source of research?

I'd guess the average "news" article today includes at least 1 tweet.

It's dumb, but Twitter has become where journalism happens.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by bargl »

oceanplexian wrote: post #537

IMHO there are things that are much more scary than some trespassing into government buildings or a riot. The possibility that we might slide backwards from traditionally liberal ideas spawned from the enlightenment is utterly terrifying. And we are rapidly heading in that direction.

I feel like after the twin towers were blown up.

It was less than 100 individuals that were the impetuous for one of the worst pieces of legislation I know of. The Patriot Act. Which was voted on in a complete state of fear. Creating an extra judicial process for people who fit into a given category.

I fear the reaction to this, which I'd argue is why Twitter needed a great press release to justify banning Trump (which they can and should do as a private corporation).

EDIT: I feel like we're in a reactionary state of shock where lawmakers may try to push laws that sound good to people who are in shock and fear.

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