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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by SpicyLemonZest » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:12 AM UTC

rattlesnakedave wrote: post #341

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

>I think it will have some negative 2nd/3rd order effects. that they haven't yet realized. This is correct. The type of person that stormed the capitol will perceive this as an escalation. I’m sure that’s not what we need, but I’m also sure that there is no good way out of this mess.

The people that stormed the capital have been pretty clear about their position here: they plan to continue escalating unless Trump is installed into power for a second term. There's nothing we can do to meet people who think like that halfway; the only course of action which might avert further tragedies is to convince them that they aren't very powerful and won't be able to achieve their goals.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by throw_m239339 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:12 AM UTC

busymom0 wrote: post #141

I am loving people who don't understand that they are literally supporting billionaires while claiming to be anti-corporate resistance. Definition of Liberal used to be: "Willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas. Relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise." I am still a…

I mean, liberal =/= progressives =/= democratic party.

Only in USA the word liberal has this very strange meaning one is forced to add "classical" to clarify its definition.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by jldugger » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:12 AM UTC

rootusrootus wrote: post #264

jennyyang wrote: post #125

Yes, I think this is actually it. After he basically commanded them to "Stop the Steal", I said that Facebook and Twitter would ban him. I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. If he is so unAmerican that he would actually tell his mob to attack the Capitol buildings, he really doesn't care about America at all. Being as petulant as he is, nuclear war is very much on the table. That's how crazy this situa…

> I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. Judging from what Pelosi has been doing, you are not alone with that concern. I hope there are enough people in between him and the actual button that would decide his order was unlawful.

>I hope there are enough people in between

There are -- the football is merely used to inform the relevant parties that the president has made the order, and, except for the submariners, those soldiers are probably aware of the events of the past 48h.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by mantap » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:13 AM UTC

pensatoio wrote: post #196

thatswrong0 wrote: post #4

They let him concede, waited a day, and then nuked him. It's too little too late, but I'll take it.

The looser does not have to concede. There's no requirement to do so, and there's precedent not to as well.

With great power comes great responsibility. The president of the United States should be aware of how his words will be received. And he is responsible for the consequences of those words. He doesn't have to concede but by constantly claiming the election was stolen he is responsible for the ensuing violence.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by rufus_foreman » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:13 AM UTC

TT3351 wrote: post #326

dukeofdoom wrote: post #303

This has been an embarrassing incident to those in power because it made them look weak. But calling a populist movement with millions of supporters, terrorists is very short sighted. It will only accelerate the fire. The left soon will control all three branches of government, after an election that many people question, has been simultaneously advocating for censorship of its political adversaries, more draconian c…

What part of attempting to block a Constitutionally mandated process through the use of force is not a terrorist act?

Brittanica:

"Terrorism, the calculated use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective"

Not seeing it. They were going to bring about a general climate of fear in the population to prevent something that was happening that day?

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by tima101 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:13 AM UTC

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

Would you change your opinion if your life or life of your family member depends on what president says on Twitter?

Can you put yourself into shoes of SOS of Georgia, policeman in DC, senator Lindsey Graham? The mob will tear them apart if they had a chance and mob is advised to do so by Trump. I live in Trump country. A lot of Trump supporters take his calls to action literally.

Should someone's freedom be curbed if it causes harm and death to someone else?

Practically though he will still have ways to reach his base. It'd be okay if they cook in their own soup but problem is that their madness spills over and innocent people get harassed, hurt and now killed. Imagine being on the plane with dozen of Trump supporters and no bodyguard that want to punish you? That's how Mitt Romney felt few days ago. Whose freedom of speech created this situation?

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Post by BlueTemplar » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:13 AM UTC

Sigh, now that idiot-in-chief has been banned, who am I going to use as a proof that Twitter is a garbage fire and anything said there should be treated with contempt?

(Rhetorical question, please don't answer.)

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by MrMan » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:13 AM UTC

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

Twitter has probably been given detailed information by the FBI about upcoming attacks being coordinated

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by bananabiscuit » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 12:13 AM UTC

sixothree wrote: post #318

bananabiscuit wrote: post #267

We don’t have to imagine. #BLM incited many riots which killed many people, what action did Twitter take there?

I'm not sure this even deserves a follow up question. But go ahead and show some specifics.