This action makes twitter seem a lot more significant than it probably is.
Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump
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#452Yes, I think this is actually it. After he basically commanded them to "Stop the Steal", I said that Facebook and Twitter would ban him. I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. If he is so unAmerican that he would actually tell his mob to attack the Capitol buildings, he really doesn't care about America at all. Being as petulant as he is, nuclear war is very much on the table. That's how crazy this situa…
> I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. I think since he cowered so hard during his concession, he's done playing tough guy. He'll hand out medals and pardons and then run away. I can't believe how much like "Animal Farm" this whole thing played out. Almost verbatim with the constant attempts to scapegoat Snowball/Antifa. Although given that 80% of republicans think the election was stolen (and 40% of t…
Well, civil war is the least of it, it's hard to see how democracy itself survives as a method of government if half the country will just believe everything that is uttered by the latest freak of the moment, even when they've been lied to a thousand times before. Cults have always been limited in their impact by the very small number of people willing to join them -- so the cult leaders just disappear into the woods with 50 women to have weird sex parties. Democracy can't survive that behavior at mass scale.
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#453Are they going to ban Arthur Chu?
https://cdn.cnsnews.com/styles/article_big/s3/2021-01/Arthur...
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#454I'm not a Trump apologist, but I've spent time around his based.
The second and third order effects of this are going to be terrible. You have a large portion of the country that feels disenfranchised, unheard, and forgotten (the rural American working class). This is why Trump got elected, and why the Capitol was stormed.
These people had some hope and felt heard through Trump. Removing him, along with the purge of many other conservatives (they've even banned an account I followed which posted documents on the Flynn case and provide some legal analysis) will serve to worsen this.
I heard the phrase "violence is the language of the unheard" to justify the unrest and rioting this summer; I agree with this statement, and why I fear for the worst.
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#455Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…
Either a) (US way) or b) (EU way) are fine, but the problem is when they’re applied unfairly - supporting Antifa riots is treated as a), supporting right-wing riots is treated as b).
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#456I am loving people who don't understand that they are literally supporting billionaires while claiming to be anti-corporate resistance. Definition of Liberal used to be: "Willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas. Relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise." I am still a…
Those liberals are now considered conservatives/libertarians.
I want no part of the current form of "liberalism", if it means censoring other people like these companies have consistently done.
Free speech is a principle to me, not just some "law".
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#457I'm sure most people here know this, but https://www.thetrumparchive.com is where all his (past) tweets are at.
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#458Yes, I think this is actually it. After he basically commanded them to "Stop the Steal", I said that Facebook and Twitter would ban him. I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. If he is so unAmerican that he would actually tell his mob to attack the Capitol buildings, he really doesn't care about America at all. Being as petulant as he is, nuclear war is very much on the table. That's how crazy this situa…
> I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. I think since he cowered so hard during his concession, he's done playing tough guy. He'll hand out medals and pardons and then run away. I can't believe how much like "Animal Farm" this whole thing played out. Almost verbatim with the constant attempts to scapegoat Snowball/Antifa. Although given that 80% of republicans think the election was stolen (and 40% of t…
How would a civil war actually happen? I know this idea gets thrown around, but, I don't see how this would happen.
Usually, civil wars happen with the support of (at least part of) the military and there are 0 doubts about who the army will side with. Even with the high rate of gun ownership in the US (and even higher among right-wingers), there is no way civilians will actually be able to whitstand a focused, concerted military effort.
The only caveat to that is if someone high up in the US military decides that this is their time to act and will try to use current civil unrest for a coup, but that seems extremely unlikely.
Another scenario to consider is an IRA/ETA style insurrection, which, again seems unlikely, as both IRA and ETA had strong geographical and cultural components to their identity, which is not true of right-wing extremists.
What is more likely to happen is for low-level civil unrest to be around for a while, as long as Trump is still in power, but, as soon as Biden comes into effect, the state will step in and very quickly squish anyone they suspect of right-wing violence. Still, it will probably get worse before it gets better.
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#459If this is what has drawn Twitter over the edge, it clearly shows their dedication to establishment politics. All this comes after a message from DJT that tells people to stop the violence and go home?
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#460This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…
You are being incredibly naive to think that the people in question are capable of changing their minds on this particular topic at this particular time.
I know Trump supporters, and even they (the ones I know) don't justify his tweets. If Twitter had used numerous previous tweets, I could personally go and argue with those supporters and feel like I was making headway.
I don't argue with them to change their mind, I argue with them for the crowd of 5-6 people listening who are on the fence. All of them were just pushed off that fence.