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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by bargl »

This is gasoline on the fire.

When banning someone like donald trump you need to have a great press release for justification. You need to point to something that people who are in the middle will read and think, yeah that makes sense, I'm surprised you didn't do that earlier.

Instead, they have this PR that I honestly disagree with, even in the current climate, I don't see it.

I can only think, they wanted to ban him before he left office in order to set a precedent that they could ban him before he left office, and use that for some sort of future legal justification. I could see this as a use to ban future presidents before the 4 years are over. Or if he became president again they wouldn't have to re-instate his account.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by 0x1F8B »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #303

This has been an embarrassing incident to those in power because it made them look weak. But calling a populist movement with millions of supporters, terrorists is very short sighted. It will only accelerate the fire. The left soon will control all three branches of government, after an election that many people question, has been simultaneously advocating for censorship of its political adversaries, more draconian c…

I agree with you. I think there is something wrong with the way we are reacting to these people and it's ratcheting up every day. I personally think they are deplorable and retrograde and, above all, willfully ignorant. But there is something wrong with this entire system and the path forward feels as untenable as the path we've been on.

There has to be a detente, but I would never suggest that amongst my orbit of people. The language of the moment is so loaded, I'd probably be called a bootlicker. At the same time I had friends calling for the gunning down of these people as they overran the Capitol.

It's very hard to reconcile all of this turmoil.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by metabagel »

ficklepickle wrote: post #304
jennyyang wrote: post #125

Yes, I think this is actually it. After he basically commanded them to "Stop the Steal", I said that Facebook and Twitter would ban him. I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. If he is so unAmerican that he would actually tell his mob to attack the Capitol buildings, he really doesn't care about America at all. Being as petulant as he is, nuclear war is very much on the table. That's how crazy this situa…

I don't think the term "unamerican" should be used seriously. It has no strict definition and is often used to encourage an "Us vs Them" mentality and brings to mind the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. I believe tribalism is a vestigial trait most harmful to modern humanity and it should be discouraged whenever possible. We have changed our environment faster than evolution can keep up, so we are going to have to use our…

In this context, I think you're being unnecessarily pedantic. When the President foments an angry mob to attack the capitol and threaten the lives of legislators, we are through the looking glass.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by llcoolv »

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by toast0 »

ficklepickle wrote: post #304
jennyyang wrote: post #125

Yes, I think this is actually it. After he basically commanded them to "Stop the Steal", I said that Facebook and Twitter would ban him. I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. If he is so unAmerican that he would actually tell his mob to attack the Capitol buildings, he really doesn't care about America at all. Being as petulant as he is, nuclear war is very much on the table. That's how crazy this situa…

I don't think the term "unamerican" should be used seriously. It has no strict definition and is often used to encourage an "Us vs Them" mentality and brings to mind the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. I believe tribalism is a vestigial trait most harmful to modern humanity and it should be discouraged whenever possible. We have changed our environment faster than evolution can keep up, so we are going to have to use our…

> I don't think the term "unamerican" should be used seriously. It has no strict definition and is often used to encourage an "Us vs Them" mentality and brings to mind the "no true Scotsman" fallacy.

It's whatever the House Un-American Activities Committee doesn't like, isn't it?

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by [deleted] »

TT3351 wrote: post #307
shiado wrote: post #115

74 million voters. This is not going to play out well. There's really no coming back from this moment, the technocratic elite have changed American democracy forever. Edit: I mean this in the way Snowden tweeted yesterday, it will be interesting how this plays out for better or worse, but it is a monumental policy shift that will be a date marked in history books.

You say this like its the first time Americans have had to learn to live with having lost a federal election. Half the country is disappointed every four years. Starting to make concessions to terrorists because they got really upset after being lied to repeatedly makes no sense.

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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by freeopinion »

This might be an extremely unpopular thing to say, and should be obvious to the Secret Service, but obvious security threats have recently been less obvious to security officials, so here it is:

Please triple or quadruple the detail that protects Trump. Put him in a safe bunker if you have to. Please, please, please don't let anything happen to him right now.

Please do what it takes to let things cool off. We've got to get the temperature a safe distance from critical.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by nelsondev »

allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

Imagine there exists a perfect AI, that can tag all tweets as “true, somewhat true, somewhat false, false”, I think it would be in the public interest to allow all tweets, but tag them accordingly.

We have laws against defamation, slander, incitement of violence; but no laws against lies. And I don’t think we should.

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