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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by AgentME »

africanboy wrote: post #248
allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

maybe deplatforming politicians (all of them, no matter their role) it's not a bad thing. there's an entire industry devoted to collect and spread their words, they certainly don't need twitter to be heard.

Politicians aren't the only ones spreading dangerous misinformation and conspiracy theories. They also aren't uniformly doing it; what prominent left-wing politicians are doing so? This is just a lazy both-sides position but this isn't something that both sides are guilty of.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by austincheney »

SoSoRoCoCo wrote: post #291
jennyyang wrote: post #125

Yes, I think this is actually it. After he basically commanded them to "Stop the Steal", I said that Facebook and Twitter would ban him. I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. If he is so unAmerican that he would actually tell his mob to attack the Capitol buildings, he really doesn't care about America at all. Being as petulant as he is, nuclear war is very much on the table. That's how crazy this situa…

> I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. I think since he cowered so hard during his concession, he's done playing tough guy. He'll hand out medals and pardons and then run away. I can't believe how much like "Animal Farm" this whole thing played out. Almost verbatim with the constant attempts to scapegoat Snowball/Antifa. Although given that 80% of republicans think the election was stolen (and 40% of t…

I am convinced the perceptions of division are directly proportional to to the isolation of people claiming such division. It’s very easy to think absurd exaggerated things about some class of other people when you never talk to them.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by _ea1k »

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by egypturnash »

dheera wrote: post #351
handmodel wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the logic isn't that hard. Person says bad things to whip up a mob - Twitter unsure to take him seriously or literally. Mob actually materializes and several people die - Twitter sure they now have to take him literally

I reckon it also has a lot to do with ad revenue. Trump is the ONLY reason I'm on Twitter. There is literally no other benefit I gain from being on Twitter. Also, people only ever respond to me if I tweet against Trump's policies. If I say anything about science or tech or humanity or art or say some interesting ideas, nobody listens to me. Nobody retweets me. Nobody follows me. It's like talking to a wall. His term…

This is a compelling argument for social media being something funded by the government as a public good, rather than run for profit.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by notional »

shiado wrote: post #115

74 million voters. This is not going to play out well. There's really no coming back from this moment, the technocratic elite have changed American democracy forever. Edit: I mean this in the way Snowden tweeted yesterday, it will be interesting how this plays out for better or worse, but it is a monumental policy shift that will be a date marked in history books.

> the technocratic elite have changed American democracy forever

You keep blaming tech companies for the poor actions of the adults using it and it doesn't make sense.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by dexen »

tylermenezes wrote: post #300
allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

> Does anybody have a solution Yes. Get rid of newsfeed algorithms that optimize recommendations for engagement. It won't solve our current problem, but that's what cause it. They took pg's Fluff Principal and weaponized it.

>Get rid of newsfeed algorithms that optimize recommendations for engagement.

A reasonable proposition, and it would indeed fix the problem of clickbait/outragebait content. Locally.

People who profit from clickbait/outragebait content would migrate to other platforms that do optimize for engagment, and the cycle begins anew. Thus it doesn't fix the problem globally.

A hybrid solution might be possible if all (or most) service providers agreed to certain baseline restrictions on algorithmic optimization for engagement. Probably unrealistic, because there would be all incentives to cheat any such agreement in subtle ways.

While I don't like various problems associated with it, I support the principle of freedom of speech.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by seattle_spring »

tonetheman wrote: post #6

Finally ... ding dong the witch is dead. I would like to know how much revenue Twitter and Facebook made off of this POS. Doubtful we will ever hear such things.

> I would like to know how much revenue Twitter and Facebook made

I would assume not that much, unless the ads being shown to his followers were for extended mags, American flags, MAGA hats, or truck nuts.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by busymom0 »

Big Tech, Big Oil, Wall Street, media, publishers, etc–every single circle of elites has now banded together to toxify anyone who deigned to support Trump. Basically a variation of "Don't buy from Jews". Very, very dangerous game being played here.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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danso wrote: post #293

Sorry to go off-topic, but is anyone else logged in to HN and experiencing very slow response times? Except for the times HN has gone down, I've never seen it take 5-10 seconds just to load the front page or any of the comment threads. I'm assuming it has something to do with so many users checking out this thread, which is pretty amazing for a Friday night. (viewing HN in logged out mode is much faster thanks to the…

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