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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by rattlesnakedave »

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

>I think it will have some negative 2nd/3rd order effects. that they haven't yet realized.

This is correct. The type of person that stormed the capitol will perceive this as an escalation. I’m sure that’s not what we need, but I’m also sure that there is no good way out of this mess.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by volak »

zyxzevn wrote: post #212

Why not every other politician? They are all the same. Let us just go a small step further and let facebook and twitter choose the next presidents.

One could make a fairly good argument they already do.

Especially if you watched the testimony from that professor explaining how Google shifts search results to push GOTV in certain distinct counties while excluding others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSTHgoaVtSw

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Post by drewrv »

allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

I like to think about these issues as "website moderation policies" because that's all it boils down to. Almost all sites have moderation and for good reason. Besides all the spam and trolls good moderation helps build a community. That's why we're all here, and also why I'm selective about what subreddits I join.

If a company is so powerful that their moderation policies are effectively censorship, then there is definitely a serious free speech concern. The solution is to break up the monopoly so that no one company is that powerful.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by throwaway_lolol »

admiralspoo wrote: post #202

Note that accounts such as Iran's Kamenei or those associated with groups in Pakistan, which have called for the destruction of Israel, are not banned https://twitter.com/khamenei_ir

Here's one from the Chinese Embassy in US that literally supports a genocide.

> Study shows that in the process of eradicating extremism, the minds of Uygur women in Xinjiang were emancipated and gender equality and reproductive health were promoted, making them no longer baby-making machines. They are more confident and independent. https://t.co/lykDhByEiL

https://twitter.com/ChineseEmbinUS/status/134724760209453465...

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by rmk »

Pretty cynical of Twitter to monetize his tweets with gay abandon and then shut down his account now that he's politically weak and has indicated he's not going to run for a second term. The specific violations they have cited are very mild in comparison to many other tweets in the past. Ditto for Facebook. I suppose they feel like they can strike with impunity now these people are going to be shown the door.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by incrudible »

allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

Regardless of any principles one may hold, how could banning Trump from Twitter achieve anything positive?

They're forcing Trump to join some more right-wing friendly site. Those are way more saturated with conspiracy stuff. In effect, Twitter is inadvertently exposing his audience to way more false information, achieving the exact opposite of what is ostensibly the goal here.

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Post by paganel »

danso wrote: post #293

Sorry to go off-topic, but is anyone else logged in to HN and experiencing very slow response times? Except for the times HN has gone down, I've never seen it take 5-10 seconds just to load the front page or any of the comment threads. I'm assuming it has something to do with so many users checking out this thread, which is pretty amazing for a Friday night. (viewing HN in logged out mode is much faster thanks to the…

+1 from me on the slow times, maybe it's because of this very thread that has attracted lots of interest? I couldn't tell.
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