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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by notacoward »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #271
busymom0 wrote: post #190

Question for everyone who's saying "private platform can do whatever." You are against the FDA, EPA, Net Neutrality etc? And how about the baker who refused to bake cake for the gay couple for religious reasons.

Or the hotel that tells a black family that there are no vacancies. Or the restaurant that denies service to someone wearing a MAGA hat. "private property, they can do what they want" is indeed a slippery slope.

If you want to address people's stance on those unrelated issues, address them (not vague "whoever") when they're brought up (not now).

> slippery slope

Do I really even need to say anything about that?

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by FireBeyond »

staunch wrote: post #80

Whatever you think about Trump, he has First Amendment rights under the U.S. constitution. If violating the law, he should be punished, but it is not up to private companies to revoke constitutional rights. Trump still has the right to speak publicly. No one should wish that he be silenced by private companies. Trump should just tell his supporters to go to his own web site and communicate with them that way. There's…

You have the right to speak. You have no right to an audience, nor to compel a third party to spend time, effort and money providing you either audience or amplification.

He has the White House web site. He wouldn't even use the @potus Twitter account because he'd rather have people follow his personal account.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by klank »

allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

I'm squarely in group b, however, I don't think it's an actual dichotomy in the way you present it. I think American's fetishize "free speech" which leads to a "hyper group a" that argues since censorship is scary (which it is) we'd rather face any other conceivable consequence rather than wrestle with the hard questions of what is appropriate vs. inappropriate public speech. I believe we're seeing examples of where the pendulum has swung too far, in the US, towards "say what you want" and we need to bump it back a bit. If it swings too far the other way I'll quickly switch my thoughts on the matter.

Also, there's another dimension which I think gets immediately thrown on the floor when these discussions come up. Very rarely are people calling for controls on what can be said at any time. Instead, it's controls on what can be said to large amounts of people. Group b folks, such as myself, are not saying that we're concerned about dinner conversations. We're concerned about speech that is being amplified in a way where there's a civic responsibility to ensure that the harmful messages are not being amplified.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by avalys »

meekmockmook wrote: post #74

As I said in the Apple-Parler thread: Massive Big Tech conglomerates must be busted through antitrust enforcement and Section 230 must be updated to ban predatory algorithms which have inflamed 7 years of sectarian chaos and violence. It's not a free speech issue: It's about Too Big To Fail. They have too much power, beyond that of even the world's largest governments. This cannot stand.

In what sense is Twitter a "Massive Big Tech conglomerate"?

They're merely a successful platform.

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Post by chr1 »

shiado wrote: post #115

74 million voters. This is not going to play out well. There's really no coming back from this moment, the technocratic elite have changed American democracy forever. Edit: I mean this in the way Snowden tweeted yesterday, it will be interesting how this plays out for better or worse, but it is a monumental policy shift that will be a date marked in history books.

Maybe the solution is to use 21st century tools for democracy in 21st century. Issue based open voting, flexible mechanism of vote delegation, and ability to trade votes to reach compromise can fix what social media have broken https://voteflux.org

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Post by trianglem »

ve55 wrote: post #44

This ban seems to heavily take advantage of the current moment, as it's obvious that he has tweeted worse things in the past. It's strange that they picked such a poor way to justify the ban when they could have made a significantly stronger case, and in doing so could have convinced millions more people that they are trying their best to apply policies evenly. For example, I have a hard time imagining why they chose…

Calling terrorists patriots sounds like a stellar reason to ban him. This is prime, low on content, high on wall-of-text rationalization.
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