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Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by SoSoRoCoCo » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:53 PM UTC

jennyyang wrote: post #125

Yes, I think this is actually it. After he basically commanded them to "Stop the Steal", I said that Facebook and Twitter would ban him. I also said that nuclear war was also on the table. If he is so unAmerican that he would actually tell his mob to attack the Capitol buildings, he really doesn't care about America at all. Being as petulant as he is, nuclear war is very much on the table. That's how crazy this situa…

> I also said that nuclear war was also on the table.

I think since he cowered so hard during his concession, he's done playing tough guy. He'll hand out medals and pardons and then run away.

I can't believe how much like "Animal Farm" this whole thing played out. Almost verbatim with the constant attempts to scapegoat Snowball/Antifa.

Although given that 80% of republicans think the election was stolen (and 40% of the population), this is just the start. I don't think Civil War is an exaggeration any longer, unless the Biden admin clamps down on the armed insurrection boiling over in the reddest parts of the country.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by allendoerfer » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:53 PM UTC

mrlala wrote: post #246

allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

>Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? Well as far as politics is concerned.. the US Government (and other governments) should make their own twitter like platforms which every active representative has an account, and ANYTHING (barring pure illegal) can be posted. It doesn't even need to have an actual user base, it can just be somewhere…

That's a bad idea, because you are cementing power. It would be hard for contenders to get into office. The incumbents already have a bigger platform they can leverage.

I was also getting at the fact, that Twitter, being a private company or not, basically became infrastructure and was thinking about how it should behave, whether that would be enforced by laws or not.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by danso » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:53 PM UTC

Sorry to go off-topic, but is anyone else logged in to HN and experiencing very slow response times? Except for the times HN has gone down, I've never seen it take 5-10 seconds just to load the front page or any of the comment threads. I'm assuming it has something to do with so many users checking out this thread, which is pretty amazing for a Friday night.

(viewing HN in logged out mode is much faster thanks to the caching)

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by tenebrisalietum » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:53 PM UTC

grezql wrote: post #24

this is wrong. I dislike Trump and his 4 years but this is wrong.

Elaborate.

1A says the government can't make a law abridging speech.

It doesn't say Twitter can't refuse to make posts submitted by X available to everyone who accesses their systems via the Internet.

I can see where if many people depend on a company, some need to prevent arbitrary cutoffs of service is needed if the service is needed for life--such as heating, food, ER service, etc. Twitter is not needed for basic survival.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by gnulinux » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:53 PM UTC

MattGaiser wrote: post #209

Does anyone have an archive of the tweets? As this is a historical loss if the content is gone.

There are many, internet archive, reddit bots, @POTUS account archive hosted by us.gov. I even have a personal archive. Don't you worry.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by nikolay » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:53 PM UTC

Twitter has been agonizing for years. They just give no excuse to millions to keep using their service. They are not Facebook, so, they don't have the same luxury Facebook has - keeping all your pictures, videos, and posts a hostage. I think Indieweb is more relevant today than it ever has been! Also, Twitter boosted its competitor Parler today better than ever. By Google Play blocking Parler, millions will learn how to install Android apps outside of their store and many conservatives will leave iOS for Android for this ability alone!

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by sheepz » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:53 PM UTC

dionian wrote: post #236

dmitrygr wrote: post #198

I am no trump fan, but reading the two tweets that got him suspended confuses me. Neither of those two tweets encourages violence in any way. What am i missing? The two listed tweets are: “The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” and…

It seems to me people are just itching for a reason to justify doing what they want. Lots of people hate trump even in this thread and are happy with censoring of people they dont like, just because they dont like them. It's rather chilling to see.

yes, this is exactly the way it is. most people are perfectly fine with throwing their ideals out of the window if they were applicable to people they don't like.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by stevebmark » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:53 PM UTC

It's a victory for private platforms when they grow a backbone, stop hiding behind the cowardly cries of "but free speech!", and use principles and morals to drive action. Twitter has bent over backwards _not_ to ban this person. It's been a long time coming.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by chillwaves » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:53 PM UTC

dionian wrote: post #98

thatswrong0 wrote: post #4

They let him concede, waited a day, and then nuked him. It's too little too late, but I'll take it.

You may agree with this new power now when its used on Trump, but you might not agree with it in the future. By then it will have been too late.

Any leader inciting insurrection against their own country should be banned.

You know what? I don't think anyone I would support has a problem clearing that very low bar.

Maybe people should be less concerned that Trump got banned for being a lying, traitorous piece of shit and more concerned that he was ever president in the first place.

Re: Permanent suspension of @realDonaldTrump

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Post by tylermenezes » Fri, Jan 08, 2021, 11:54 PM UTC

allendoerfer wrote: post #167

Does anybody have a solution to the bigger underlying question of de-platforming and censorship on online platforms? As far as I can tell, there are two general viewpoints: a) Censorship is bad, free speech is good. You should counter bad arguments with better arguments. b) There are types of speech, which are proven to lead to violence in the long-run. Also, some things can be proven as untrue. Lies are bad. I have…

> Does anybody have a solution

Yes. Get rid of newsfeed algorithms that optimize recommendations for engagement.

It won't solve our current problem, but that's what cause it. They took pg's Fluff Principal and weaponized it.