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Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by varjag »

chroem- wrote: post #51
Pxtl wrote: post #22

There's an amusing irony in the downvotes in this thread. The champions of free-speech angry that Apple might ban a platform for speech that ultimately led to an attempted insurrection? These champions of free speech seem to be agressively trying to silence anybody happy about this news.

You're proposing to remove a very large, very alienated group's last public channel to express themselves peacefully. This risks further escalation. This is compounded with the stark contrast to how the protests were handled this summer.

People with authoritarian mindset have a great respect for force.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by loudin »

chroem- wrote: post #51
Pxtl wrote: post #22

There's an amusing irony in the downvotes in this thread. The champions of free-speech angry that Apple might ban a platform for speech that ultimately led to an attempted insurrection? These champions of free speech seem to be agressively trying to silence anybody happy about this news.

You're proposing to remove a very large, very alienated group's last public channel to express themselves peacefully. This risks further escalation. This is compounded with the stark contrast to how the protests were handled this summer.

They are not expressing themselves peacefully is the issue. They are calling for armed insurrection.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by dpwm »

abernard1 wrote: post #34
mlyle wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yah. IMO-- only the most directly dangerous stuff -- incitements to violence-- should be removed. If you chase them out of Twitter, they'll make an even worse echo-chamber. > Their legal cases are rejected. The mainstream media refuses to take them seriously. > If you deny them the usual channels, is it surprising that they take the other route? On the other hand, if what they're asserting is crazy and unsupported by…

> On the other hand, if what they're asserting is crazy and unsupported by fact, what's the alternative? How is this any different from the entirety of human history? America has gotten along quite fine without a central Ministry of Information directing what people should and should not believe is true. It is especially galling to think that some content moderators in the very narrow slice of society in Bay Area tec…

> We've reached the point where the American left is afraid of the idea of free speech.

Debating the merits and demerits of free speech surely has to fall within free speech. From what I've seen, free speech often gets raised as an unquestionable ideal and kills off sometimes uncomfortable discussion.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by yanderekko »

egypturnash wrote: post #39
vimy wrote: post #28

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Just like plenty of people would've said "fuck socialists" back then.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

zionic wrote: post #45
meekmockmook wrote: post #6

Parler, YouTube, Twitter and Facebook were definitely used to storm Congress. Snapchat, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter and Facebook also were definitely used to burn down parts of Minneapolis, Chicago, and LA. Massive Big Tech conglomerates must be busted through antitrust enforcement and Section 230 must be updated to ban predatory algorithms which have inflamed 7 years of sectarian chaos. It's not a free speech issue:…

I’m so done with all of this. It’s time to break them up. Who is “them”? All of them.

Especially the media channels - from Fox downwards.

Make lying to the public a criminal offence. Without lies these channels are nothing.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by technofiend »

nailer wrote: post #36
Pxtl wrote: post #22

There's an amusing irony in the downvotes in this thread. The champions of free-speech angry that Apple might ban a platform for speech that ultimately led to an attempted insurrection? These champions of free speech seem to be agressively trying to silence anybody happy about this news.

What was the insurrection? Some protestors got into the Capitol building. Don't make it out like it's more than it is.

Elizabeth from Knoxville was there for a revolution. She said so her self. I don't know her views after getting maced. Maybe she's down for talking it out, now?

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by [deleted] »

Pxtl wrote: post #22

There's an amusing irony in the downvotes in this thread. The champions of free-speech angry that Apple might ban a platform for speech that ultimately led to an attempted insurrection? These champions of free speech seem to be agressively trying to silence anybody happy about this news.

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Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by Karunamon »

Traster wrote: post #88
chroem- wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're proposing to remove a very large, very alienated group's last public channel to express themselves peacefully. This risks further escalation. This is compounded with the stark contrast to how the protests were handled this summer.

Further escalation beyond storming the capitol? Becuase that's what tolerance has resulted in.

You call the past few years "tolerance"? Just about any and every application that attempts to support a fully free-speech network that isn't literally a web browser has been kicked off every app store out there.
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