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Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by maccard »

gpm wrote: post #190
13415 wrote: post #141

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What attacks are you thinking of? A cold boot attack while you're on the toilet? Or that the laptop is stolen? First and foremost you need to ensure physical security anyway. Otherwise a dedicated attacker can also just install a bug.

Laptop is stolen by a foreign intelligence agency who can do things like "pour liquid nitrogen on the ram and swap it to another computer to recover encryption keys" or whatever (I've been told that's a real attack... but it always seemed like an intelligence agency ought to just make a device to read the ram without pulling it at all... just hijack the wires communicating to the ram or something...)

If that's your threat, the device doesn't leave your sight or possession, ever. I work at a significantly lower threat level than that and we're regularly told that when off site devices don't leave your possession, and on-site, deviecs should be tethered and locked when not in use.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by always_left »

caminocorner wrote: post #462
ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #428

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Absolutely. Moreover, why are the Capitol Police Chiefs singled out? Could they have asked for, say, the National Guard? Were they supposed to go to the leaders of Congress the days before the certification to make it happen? I was always of the idea that federal authorities would be tasked with such planning, enrolling (among others) the Capitol Police.

> Could they have asked for, say, the National Guard? They declined the help, and that of the FBI https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-hel...

With all the context the police got and repeatedly turning down help, at this point I think the extra support should be mandatory. He ordered guards for other protests but not this? We can’t let the system protecting our government rely on one person’s decision like that. It’s so abhorrent it makes me paranoid thinking he was a part of it

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #521
35fbe7d3d5b9 wrote: post #46

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I've traveled to countries before whose offices of government are behind very large fences, protected by unfriendly looking men standing behind heavy machine guns in armored vehicles – and the guide books are very clear that you are not to take photos of them. I much prefer the approach taken in the USA, where our offices of government are accessible to the people that the government serves. It's very good that I can…

They should beef up security. And keep it open. And not so obvious. The simple fact of the matter is that a violent riot stormed the capitol building and nearly overwhelmed local forces. Congress asked for extra help and it wasn't provided. Governors asked if they could send in the guard to help and the man whom stoked the riot gave no permission. It's a fucking miracle that January 6th wasn't one of the worst days i…

Um, the police waved them through. It was in cooperation with Capitol police. No 'overwhelming' necessary. Which is worrisome in a whole nother way. https://twitter.com/bumbera_steven/status/134727096998817382... video

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by throwaway201103 »

jsjohnst wrote: post #509
deathgrips wrote: post #495

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You betray your ignorance about firearms. You cannot shoot to immobilize. Every shot taken is practically and legally a shot intending to kill. Real life is not a hollywood movie.

> You betray your ignorance about firearms. You cannot shoot to immobilize. Every shot taken is practically and legally a shot intending to kill. Real life is not a hollywood movie. Someone knowledgeable of the subject, which you imply I am not, would know that shooting someone in the middle of their body is the standard operating procedure (and is potentially less fatal, but yes legally still intended to kill) rathe…

Could have (likely was) aiming for center of mass but ended up a little high. Real life is not a shooting range with a target that is perfectly still.

Shooting a center of mass is not at all about being "less fatal" it is about it being the biggest target with the biggest chance of stopping your adversary.

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Post by Reedx »

djsumdog wrote: post #36
Fauntleroy wrote: post #23

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To prevent unauthorized entry, Capitol Police would have had to put up a fight. Seems they were unwilling to do so. If America continues down this path Russia (and others) are just gonna have a field day.

The Capitol Police were either incompetent or complicit. There are literally no other options. They knew there would be a big protests, numbers put it around 200k~300k (a tiny percentage of which actually went into the capitol building mind you). If they weren't prepared for this: incompetence. But there are videos of people getting selfies with guards, and staying within the velvet ropes when coming in. Something is…

The Capitol Police seem to be a facade and don't stop crowds. Here's a different example from 2 years ago:

"@womensmarch just took the Capitol. Women, survivors, and allies walked straight past the police, climbed over barricades, and sat down on the Capitol steps."

https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

megablast wrote: post #454
m463 wrote: post #274

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Maybe stealing it also removed a bunch of foreign operative bugs and keyloggers :) "How can we remove this compromised system from the building without letting on that we know " "just have a 'theft' remove it!"

That would be the machine to keylog. Space. Space. Space. Backspace. Space.

OTOH, if it is set up such that presenters need to log in with their official credentials to access their shared documents, it would actually be the machine to keylog.

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Post by jsjohnst »

throwaway201103 wrote: post #535
jsjohnst wrote: post #509

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> You betray your ignorance about firearms. You cannot shoot to immobilize. Every shot taken is practically and legally a shot intending to kill. Real life is not a hollywood movie. Someone knowledgeable of the subject, which you imply I am not, would know that shooting someone in the middle of their body is the standard operating procedure (and is potentially less fatal, but yes legally still intended to kill) rathe…

Could have (likely was) aiming for center of mass but ended up a little high. Real life is not a shooting range with a target that is perfectly still. Shooting a center of mass is not at all about being "less fatal" it is about it being the biggest target with the biggest chance of stopping your adversary.

> Shooting a center of mass is not at all about being "less fatal"

Did I say it was? I believe I used the word "potentially" in the reply you are commenting to. The officer was shooting from ~6ft away and had a firm grip and was well composed, if they can't hit the chest of a target that was mostly still at the moment of the shot then they need to be spending a lot more time in the gun range (at the absolute minimum).

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Post by Joeri »

baldfat wrote: post #198
omarhaneef wrote: post #177

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If I had to bet: -- someone accidentally stored something -- that thing is no big deal, perhaps technically a secret -- people who get ahold of it and read it will make up conspiracy theories about it

People who make up their truths that can't be disproven already have all that they need. a missing laptop.

Honestly, those people didn’t even need that. They need nothing founded in reality to make up their conspiracy theories, which is why no argument from reality can weaken them.

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Post by garfieldnate »

grogenaut wrote: post #279
whalesalad wrote: post #136

> belonged to a conference room and was used for presentations Yikes. My first though was - oh this should be no big deal chances are there are good policies in place for laptops that go home with people. Then I realized it is a shared/central machine which means it probably has the most effed up and relaxed security in the fleet, post-it notes with passwords taped to the palm rests, and god knows what else. IT depar…

I worked on a barely do-not-distribute. Someone's spouse took a project member's laptop as hostage for alimony. Within 45 minutes of discovery and a phone call to the army equivalent of the FBI, agents were at the spouse's work and home searching for the laptop. Lucky for the spouse they thought it was the personal laptop (it was not marked) so they weren't prosecuted. This laptop could be much worse, or just fine.

Reminds me of this old "Professor Pwnage" video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4gVkprDej0
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