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Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by ucha »

ptd wrote: post #337
grogenaut wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked on a barely do-not-distribute. Someone's spouse took a project member's laptop as hostage for alimony. Within 45 minutes of discovery and a phone call to the army equivalent of the FBI, agents were at the spouse's work and home searching for the laptop. Lucky for the spouse they thought it was the personal laptop (it was not marked) so they weren't prosecuted. This laptop could be much worse, or just fine.

What is a “barely do-not-distribute?”

It's usually the second lowest security level, just above "Public" and below "Secret".

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by caminocorner »

ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #428
californical wrote: post #393

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I’m sorry but if you’re a couple of police officers in a room full of literal terrorists, of course you’re going to try to be as restrained and friendly as possible. You’re horribly outnumbered. They would be murdered if they tried to take on the crowd. They needed to wait for reinforcements to arrive, and meanwhile do their best to keep the crowd from going fully insane. They managed the situation with very few peop…

Absolutely. Moreover, why are the Capitol Police Chiefs singled out? Could they have asked for, say, the National Guard? Were they supposed to go to the leaders of Congress the days before the certification to make it happen? I was always of the idea that federal authorities would be tasked with such planning, enrolling (among others) the Capitol Police.

> Could they have asked for, say, the National Guard?

They declined the help, and that of the FBI

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-hel...

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by raman325 »

ezequiel-garzon wrote: post #428
californical wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sorry but if you’re a couple of police officers in a room full of literal terrorists, of course you’re going to try to be as restrained and friendly as possible. You’re horribly outnumbered. They would be murdered if they tried to take on the crowd. They needed to wait for reinforcements to arrive, and meanwhile do their best to keep the crowd from going fully insane. They managed the situation with very few peop…

Absolutely. Moreover, why are the Capitol Police Chiefs singled out? Could they have asked for, say, the National Guard? Were they supposed to go to the leaders of Congress the days before the certification to make it happen? I was always of the idea that federal authorities would be tasked with such planning, enrolling (among others) the Capitol Police.

Reportedly the Capitol Police turned down offers for help both before and during the event. Best source I could find: https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/capitol-police-nixed-fbi-natio...

EDIT: The other comment has a better source

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by gurleen_s »

lakerz16 wrote: post #450
veiant wrote: post #431

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Maybe they should have started handing out 10+ year sentences when people were burning down parts of cities.

starting a fire at a Target is not quite the same thing as raiding the US Capitol filled with congress, staffers, and confidential documents (in an effort to overturn a national election).

And of course, the irony is that part of the frustrations from this summer’s protests is the fact that people of color get 10+ year sentences for things like drug offenses at a much higher rate than white people.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by JamesSwift »

35fbe7d3d5b9 wrote: post #46
mumblemumble wrote: post #14

Beyond the information security risk around the loss of this specific device, what really worries me is the physical security implications here. I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but it seems to me like, in a building like the US Capitol, it should not be anywhere near this easy for unauthorized people to waltz into an office or conference room in the first place. Let alone walk away with items from within that…

I've traveled to countries before whose offices of government are behind very large fences, protected by unfriendly looking men standing behind heavy machine guns in armored vehicles – and the guide books are very clear that you are not to take photos of them. I much prefer the approach taken in the USA, where our offices of government are accessible to the people that the government serves. It's very good that I can…

For national security buildings (e.g. the NSA) it is the exact same as your foreign country experience. The guards around the perimeter are very quick to engage and ask what you are doing if you meander around the outside.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by alacombe »

jorblumesea wrote: post #305
alacombe wrote: post #286

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Why would it be of the interest of any US citizen for elected officials to have any "secret" ? Full transparency should be paramount.

Secrets need to be kept in the intelligence world. It's naive to think we can be fully transparent on issues of methods and means. Congress needs to know things about our security apparatus but shouldn't be made public for obvious reasons. The entire idea of a representative democracy is we elect people to act for us. That includes knowing information that shouldn't be public and making the correct decision for the c…

> The entire idea of a representative democracy is we elect people to act for us.

How do you keep elected representatives accountable then ? Their words alone is not worth the storage space it's being recorded on...

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Post by everybodyknows »

kahrl wrote: post #445
blahyawnblah wrote: post #438

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Did they release the cause of death? The article I read said he collapsed after everything was done with (or for the most part). Can really pin that on anyone.

Maybe you can pin in on those who smashed his head in with a fire extinguisher? https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-michael-...

This is the weird bit:

>returned to his division office after the incident and collapsed

Someone should have known that after a heavy blow to the head he needed to go straight to an ER.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by jsjohnst »

djsumdog wrote: post #217
deathgrips wrote: post #169

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It's not murder if it's legal. If you don't want to get shot, don't invade the seat of government during a constitutionally prescribed transition of power, break through a barricade, ignore a cop's orders and approach a cop pointing his gun at you. Hard, I know.

And you assume that's everything that happened? Did she break through a barrier? People were walking right in.You don't know which group she cam in with. In the various videos, she was trying to get out. They all were. The dude who fired the shot, are you really defending him? A man with no real reasonable threat to his life? None of the people in that shot were shown to be armed. Honest question, what are your views…

> And you assume that's everything that happened?

There's multiple camera angles which captured the minutes leading up to her death, posted on major news sites like The Washington Post, so no assumption needed.

I still don't feel the shoot to kill was justified (especially as a shot in an area that would immobilize a person, like the chest or the gut, would've been safer of collateral damage vs a shot to the head, similar to the one taken, which unequivocally is a shot intended to kill), but trying to argue she was not completely and totally in the wrong is just absurd to me.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by mumblemumble »

ceejayoz wrote: post #342
mumblemumble wrote: post #295

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> My office's threat model – and yours – is not based on defending against a mob of people storming the building. That's sort of exactly the point I'm making. My office's threat model isn't even in the same league, and yet it still seems to have more thought put into physical security than the Capitol building. It would appear that, unlike in the hypothetical you're constructing, in the real event, people didn't even…

Your office is intended to keep most people in the world out most of the time. The Capitol is intended to allow most people most of the time.

So Nancy Pelosi's office is generally open to the public, and it's fine for people to go on in whenever they want, even when she's not there?

I've honestly never tried to visit a congressperson in DC, so I suppose I wouldn't know, but it sounds unlikely. My public library is even more intended for public use than the US Capitol, but I still need a key to go back into the offices.

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