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Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

joeyrideout wrote: post #313
qchris wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually really like this analogy. I'm curious if there's there's a term for that kind of playbook for folks who are more familiar with building security.

The only analogue that comes to mind is in financial fraud detection: moving money slowly or in a predictable pattern (monthly rent payments etc.) triggers no alarms, but large or unexpected transfers raise alarms.

I remember when I left my last job that my manager cautioned me against making any large file transfers since it would trigger IT alarms about employees trying to steal the company's IP.

Clearly, he didn't think I was a threat, or if I was, that I would have been smart enough to do it long ago, and slowly :-)

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by Pfhreak »

jeffbee wrote: post #432
Pfhreak wrote: post #425

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I'm going to assume your question is in good faith, and try to provide a factual set of people who died (that I'm aware of). * Sarah Grossman was pepper-sprayed at a demonstration and later died in the hospital from acute respiratory issues. * David McAtee was fatally shot by police at a protest : https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/louisville-protests-man-sh... * Sean Monterossa was killed while kneeling with hands ra…

LAPD shot a man named CJ Montano in the head with a 40mm foam round. He was standing with his hands up in the middle of the road when they shot him.

Yeah, I tried to not list too many events that 'only' resulted in maiming, loss of sight, or permanent injury, because the parent poster specifically called out deaths. But yes, there were many incidents like you described where the police clearly used force in potentially lethal ways.

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Post by JKCalhoun »

golergka wrote: post #426
JKCalhoun wrote: post #419

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Right to rebel? I'm not aware of that one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_revolution

I see, it is a philosophical right.

Whether you agree with them or not, it seems the U.S. founders tried to give us all these other rights we might need to avoid the violent one.

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Post by Bedon292 »

jjkaczor wrote: post #349
Bedon292 wrote: post #256

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While not congress, so I can't say for sure, I have been around government and other enterprise systems. Some measures they had in place: - Disabled USB Ports (except whitelisted peripherals) - User accounts don't have permission to install anything at all - If you plug a deceive with a different mac address than expected into an ethernet port the port locks down until a sysadmin verifies it and manually unlocks it -…

Probably (let's hope - but, if I have seen anything in the last 4-years, it has been a constant, non-stop erosion of competency in the US government) - and, most likely the insurgents just didn't plan anything "long-term" or tricky. Question though... Don't hardware-based keyloggers present as a "keyboard", and isn't that a generic device which would probably be whitelisted?

Definitely possible, nothing is perfect. Just Lots of things that make it harder, but not impossible, to do bad stuff. Some places still use PS/2 devices for those peripherals as well, though that's much less common these days.

Was curious, looks like there are a lot of pass through USB keyloggers that probably show up like the original whitelisted device. So definitely a risk there. I know I would want every single device there manually looked over, but I don't know how long that would take with a likely pretty limited staff.

Re: Laptop stolen from Pelosi's office during storming of U.S. Capitol, says aide

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Post by kahrl »

blahyawnblah wrote: post #438
jakeinspace wrote: post #385

There needs to be a whole lot of 10+ year sentences handed out. Obviously anyone directly involved in the officer's death will have the book thrown at them and probably never see the outside of a cell again, but all these people need to be made an example of.

Did they release the cause of death? The article I read said he collapsed after everything was done with (or for the most part). Can really pin that on anyone.

Maybe you can pin in on those who smashed his head in with a fire extinguisher?

https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-michael-...

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Post by kenniskrag »

gizmo686 wrote: post #408
whalesalad wrote: post #136

> belonged to a conference room and was used for presentations Yikes. My first though was - oh this should be no big deal chances are there are good policies in place for laptops that go home with people. Then I realized it is a shared/central machine which means it probably has the most effed up and relaxed security in the fleet, post-it notes with passwords taped to the palm rests, and god knows what else. IT depar…

IT should be able to revoke any access the machine has, so the only compromise would be what was already on the machine; which would be the case regardless of security policy, as they could just access the harddrive directly regardless of OS security policy. In practice, it wouldn't suprise me if that computer was locally storing passwords that were not specific to that machine, which might mean needing to revoke a b…

> as they could just access the harddrive directly regardless of OS security policy.

I think that's wrong if you consider disk encryption.

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

knorker wrote: post #409
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #324

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> Depending how sophisticated your adversary is The videos I saw don't inspire much dread, there, but they may give the laptop to someone that can do digital forensics. Lots of LEOs in that lot. They would be smart enough to stay out of the building, but might have been waiting for someone to come out with something like that. But, as someone pointed out, a lot of the folks wouldn't bother trying to read anything. Th…

Are you sure? Most of the rioters seem like herpa-derpers, but some came there on a mission, like this guy: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13690389/us-capitol-rioters-zi... (those are not regular zipties, but the "taking hostages" kind)

I also notice he’s masked. That was unusual for that lot.

There were definitely some folks there with mayhem in mind.

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Post by nxpnsv »

californical wrote: post #393
hwillis wrote: post #323

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Presumably the same reason police moved barricades, waved them in, and took selfies with them.

I’m sorry but if you’re a couple of police officers in a room full of literal terrorists, of course you’re going to try to be as restrained and friendly as possible. You’re horribly outnumbered. They would be murdered if they tried to take on the crowd. They needed to wait for reinforcements to arrive, and meanwhile do their best to keep the crowd from going fully insane. They managed the situation with very few peop…

So pictures were taken in selfiedefence?

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Post by Balgair »

handelaar wrote: post #181

I'm less concerned about the kit that was removed from the Capitol and very much more concerned about all the kit that wasn't. There is no laptop, no camera, no wall socket, no light switch even, that should not now be destroyed

Very much so. Imagine "The Thing" but with ~75 years more advancement.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_%28listening_device%...

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Post by lakerz16 »

veiant wrote: post #431
jakeinspace wrote: post #385

There needs to be a whole lot of 10+ year sentences handed out. Obviously anyone directly involved in the officer's death will have the book thrown at them and probably never see the outside of a cell again, but all these people need to be made an example of.

Maybe they should have started handing out 10+ year sentences when people were burning down parts of cities.

starting a fire at a Target is not quite the same thing as raiding the US Capitol filled with congress, staffers, and confidential documents (in an effort to overturn a national election).
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