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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Alexa rank 2400 global and 400 for US. https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/thedonald.win

Just what I was looking for! Can you give some context on this too? Like what else is about ~400 in the US?

I can't give you much context, sorry. I just shared the numbers to save others from googling.

Hacker news is 6500 globally, and 2600 in the US, if that is any kind of context.

Alexa is one of the oldest analytics companies to publicize top rankings for websites. Today was the first time I noticed they've been bought by Amazon.

You can look around their top 50, (which they are calling top 500 for the clicks) for global and country level web traffic here: https://www.alexa.com/topsites

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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The irony of people complaining about free speech and censorship when this happens is if you post ANYTHING even remotely against the current narrative in those subs you will be immediately banned by mods. You can literally quote trump word for word in /r/conservative and get banned if it happens to go against today's collective reality. Rules for thee but not for me is the modus operandi and Wednesday was just an ext…

It's one thing for a mod in a forum to ban someone, as it sometimes only represents the opinions of that mod, and maybe be backed by rules (and trends) It's another thing for social media to do it. although they are all private companies, they remain a very global big force, that do not have reach only in the US, but are global and can do the same and affect many countries and politics across the globe. Soon, if not…

it's not just reddit, i'm talking about social media in general getting too involved in politics, but only when it suits them and only when it is trendy

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/896/censorship > In general, sedition is defined as trying to overthrow the government with intent and means to bring it about; the Supreme Court, however, has been divided over what constitutes intent and means. > These acts made it a federal crime to speak, write, or print criticisms of the government that were false, scandalous, or malicious. It is frightening to me tha…

There's no evidence for election fraud due to a combination of officials and media intentionally not searching for it, and events that make it difficult or impossible to determine that fraud actually ocurred. As an example of the latter: Georgia election officials intentionally deceived journalists and (Republican) observers into leaving a vote-counting event by lying to them and telling them that they were done for…

> Georgia election officials intentionally deceived journalists and (Republican) observers into leaving a vote-counting event by lying to them and telling them that they were done for the night, then pulling out hidden containers of ballots and counting them[1]

This is a joke, right? Did you even watch the video from the tweet you're citing? The video states that ballots were placed in containers because counters thought they were finished for the night. People start going home. Phone call comes in saying keep counting. They take out those containers and start counting again. Observers return an hour later.

These are not 'hidden containers'. You are a liar and a seditionist.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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> drag you deeper into the rabbit hole of extremism This is what banning /r/the_donald and now /r/donaldtrump did. It doesn't stop the users from believing what they believe, it just further isolates them in an echo changer while simultaneously reinforcing the belief that the liberal media is "out to get them".

What would you do?

Leave it alone. Reddit did the right thing early on by minimizing /r/td spam on the front page. Aside from that I'm convinced there were no problems posed by /r/td or /r/donaldtrump aside from those invented by the small, vocal minority of pearl-clutchers complaining that someone somewhere on Reddit was posting things they disagreed with.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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The left wasn't being actively encouraged and incited by the sitting President.

Not by the sitting President, but by every single mainstream media organization and a pretty solid fraction of sitting Democrat Congresspeople and Senators, who spent months excusing and denying violent riots as they raged for months.

Trump’s nature further polarized both sides. He’s a binary-minded individual, either for / against. Dangerous quality for a leader, pushes both sides toward the extremes.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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You know what scares the shit out of me, to use your phrasing? The people on that site murdering me or overthrowing the government, so that they seize power and elections end or become irrelevant. “The free Internet” has value, but it’s not the only thing that has value. When it conflicts with other values, then there has to be a nuanced resolution.

It’s like the libertarian view that everything will work without regulation, it just requires everyone to abide by some unrealistic “do no harm principle” that obviously can’t work.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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This is like hearing someone at a bank saying they were scared a masked robber was going to murder them, and responding “were you scared of the customer who came in before them murdering you too?” The terrorists who stormed the capital on Wednesday have a history of violence and connections to various far right extremist and terrorist groups. They came carrying weapons, zip ties and bombs. Don’t pretend there’s no di…

And the last 6 months of race riots? I'll take a few smashed windows and pictures taken in congress over tens of millions in burned and stolen property, assaults and murders in basically every city in the country. "Only my side's political violence is acceptable." That's what I get from facebook.

The BLM protests — the overwhelming majority of which were peaceful [1] — stretched over 6 months and involved thousands of events and millions of people. After all that… 19 people died [1].

The terrorist attack yesterday exceeded a quarter of that death toll in a matter of hours.

I don't know how to explain that invading our nation's capitol with the intent of capturing and murdering politicians is different than breaking into a Target.

[1] https://time.com/5886348/report-peaceful-protests/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_dur...

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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> If you build a system that is so technologically perfect that it extinguishes violence from the public space, then you have created a system of slavery. I intuitively get the point you are trying to make (sovereignty, "government has a monopoly on violence," yadda yadda), but I don't think it reflects the real, both contemporary and historical, systems of slavery. Chattel slavery in the antebellum South's relied on…

> Why should we be worried about "benevolent AI overlords" going rogue when historically civilizations with high percentages of unfree people were extremely violent? I think you're making a false comparison. There's at least 2 different kinds of unfree regimes, the first being monarchies and dictatorships that use force in a top-down manner to control their subjects, and the second being the system of mind control wh…

> the second being the system of mind control which enslaves people by feeding them simulations that convince them that they are sufficiently free and safe. The latter version of an unfree regime still benefits from creating a form of slavery, but it's slavery of the mind. Imagine a civilization comprised of figurative Uncle Toms of the system.

I'm a bit confused by the figurative language used here. Did you have a specific example of this, or is this a hypothetical? I think this type of thinking has its, but I think it's important to contextualize it. For example, you can say that a gambling addict gambles against their will, but I wouldn't say that they are enslaved to gambling institutions (unless I was purposely being hyperbolic). But I agree that many systems of slavery had a degree of self-regulation among the enslaved.

> Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding your point.

My framework is this: violence is a necessary part of slavery, because to a certain extent enslavement requires the enslaved to choose between continued slavery or extreme violence/death. If you remove state violence from the equation, slavery still usually exists, and often flourishes due to the lack of a countervailing force. In "top-down" situations, where a system of slavery has implicit or explicit state support, the state doesn't have to explicitly enact the violence itself, it can simply declare a certain segment of the population "extra-judicial.

I think authoritarian, low violence states like Singapore have numerous human rights issues, but I wouldn't go so far as saying that the entire body politic is enslaved.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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That's part of the point. The left was basically allowed to freely enter the Senate building, in an attempt to sway the ongoing confirmation vote of a scotus justice, and met little to no police resistance, and it was celebrated by the media. Replace "confirmation" with "certification", and "scotus justice" with "president," and what's the difference, politically?

I said this above. You are arguing in bad faith. "basically" is doing a lot of work in your argument. No one is compelled by this. It is clear that they are two completely separate events. One was dangerous. The other was not. Again, I'll say it directly to avoid confusion. You are arguing in bad faith.

You make my point exactly:

the left portends to have authoritative insight over the intent of others... based only on their biased perception or desire. And that is precisely the problem.

You just did it to me.

The media does it depending on whether they want "mostly peaceful protests march" or "attempted violent coup."

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Certainly not legally (until they become citizens), but their children can when they turn 18, and said immigration has been happening for many decades.

Immigration has been happening for the entire history of the United States

Sure, but there was a huge shift in the demographics of immigrants about 55 years ago.
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