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Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by throwawehh »

daniel957 wrote: post #523
gfodor wrote: post #299

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What bubble are you referring to? Saying it was obvious now doesn't say anything about having good predictive ability. My recollection is up until about Monday, most people were asleep on this. And then around Tuesday the zeitguest was this was going to be a dumb clown show. The number of people claiming that violence was inevitable and the capitol was going to be stormed, outside of the obvious circles, was in my ex…

I wasn’t trying to offend you. Everyone lives in a bubble or several. My timeline consists mainly of 80% American minorities and 20% graduates from elite US universities (with some overlap between the two groups obviously). What about yours? No one on my timeline was surprised. And if they were, they were privileged white people (no offense just being honest when talking about Harvard/MIT grads). These insurrectionis…

deleting my comment as parent seems to be uninterested in discussing an opinion that goes against their own.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by beerandt »

brayhite wrote: post #622
CyberRabbi wrote: post #499

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Were you scared of the women’s March murdering you after they “stormed” the capitol? https://twitter.com/EgSophie/status/1048634940169048064?s=20

I sincerely hope you don't mean this to be comparable. Beating police with batons? Stealing their riot shields? Spraying them with mace? Stealing property from the capitol? You and I both know that if all the folks did yesterday was go into the Capitol and march and chant in the halls, they'd be framed as deranged lunatics who might've gone a bit too far - not domestic terrorists. Show me the video evidence from the…

That's part of the point.

The left was basically allowed to freely enter the Senate building, in an attempt to sway the ongoing confirmation vote of a scotus justice, and met little to no police resistance, and it was celebrated by the media.

Replace "confirmation" with "certification", and "scotus justice" with "president," and what's the difference, politically?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by slothtrop »

jtxxwl wrote: post #646
slothtrop wrote: post #563

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Virtually no one who voted for Biden is excited about him. They're just voting out Trump. The false equivalency narrative you're spewing is tiresome. Trump's record is an unprecedented disaster. There is no equivalent.

Is Trump's record so bad that local election officials would be justified in cheating in the election to prevent another term, hypothetically?

No one is justified in cheating. Incidentally, no one has. Though voter suppression appears to have been attempted in certain areas.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by rblatz »

bra-ket wrote: post #635
ng12 wrote: post #631

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> drag you deeper into the rabbit hole of extremism This is what banning /r/the_donald and now /r/donaldtrump did. It doesn't stop the users from believing what they believe, it just further isolates them in an echo changer while simultaneously reinforcing the belief that the liberal media is "out to get them".

I'd argue it further isolates users in those liberal echo-chambers from hearing a different opinion. Given the heavy left leaning media bias it leads to free speech being free as long as it doesn't disagree with the 'party line'. I.e. the same dynamics as in communist Soviet Union where 'enemies of the people' were ostracized and persecuted by totalitarian regime.

The media is moderate, not left leaning. But anything left of Donald trump is considered socialist by his supporters.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by tdaltonc »

wodenokoto wrote: post #558
typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

Alexa rank 2400 global and 400 for US. https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/thedonald.win

Just what I was looking for! Can you give some context on this too? Like what else is about ~400 in the US?

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by bosswipe »

ng12 wrote: post #631
jakelazaroff wrote: post #584

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Your bookshelf doesn’t analyze your reading habits and recommend other books specifically to drag you deeper into the rabbit hole of extremism. Your bookshelf doesn’t allow you to instantly connect with thousands of likeminded people to incubate terrorist plots.

> drag you deeper into the rabbit hole of extremism This is what banning /r/the_donald and now /r/donaldtrump did. It doesn't stop the users from believing what they believe, it just further isolates them in an echo changer while simultaneously reinforcing the belief that the liberal media is "out to get them".

What it does do is prevent them from recruiting from redit's normie population for free.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by pmarreck »

typon wrote: post #12

Irrelevant. Most of the original users of /r/theDonald migrated theDonald.win, which became one of the top websites in the US in terms of traffic. They're behind Cloudflare and constantly DDoSd these days it seems like it. Moreover, they've gotten threats from their ISP that they have to delete certain posts or be shut down. (which seems scary to me) Also, please don't judge me, I just have a morbid curiosity to see…

I have the same curiosity but it is more about being worried that the balkanization of the Internet will have serious negative outcomes down the line, such as what we saw 2 days ago, except progressively worse.

Everyone IMHO should be peering into other bastions of thought

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by stale2002 »

andrewem wrote: post #232

You know what scares the shit out of me, to use your phrasing? The people on that site murdering me or overthrowing the government, so that they seize power and elections end or become irrelevant. “The free Internet” has value, but it’s not the only thing that has value. When it conflicts with other values, then there has to be a nuanced resolution.

> then there has to be a nuanced resolution.

The nuanced resolution is our laws and court system.

If something is illegal, then our justice system can handled it. Otherwise, it should be allowed to exist on the free internet.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by tsimionescu »

farisjarrah wrote: post #639
beerandt wrote: post #571

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1) Browsers no longer let you (easily/ 2-click) override some ssl errors, and the overwhelming trend has been to start treating a lack of https similar to an ssl error, as far as ui goes. 2) Is this practically any different than saying newsgroups, or even bbs(?), still exist, so those avenues for free speech are viable remedies for being otherwise suppressed.

To your first point: Firefox still lets you easily override a ssl error with 2 clicks. Go to the site, click "Advanced" and then click "Accept the risk and continue". Using the most up to date version of firefox on MacOS, Linux and Windows.

I'm pretty sure that even FF won't let you easily override an error on a site with HSTS that presents an invalid certificate.

Re: Reddit bans subreddit group “r/DonaldTrump”

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Post by slothtrop »

young_unixer wrote: post #655
slothtrop wrote: post #520

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The day the bulk of far-left idealists advocate violence and racism, they won't be tolerated either.

> The day the bulk of far-left idealists advocate violence and racism You mean everyday?

If the projection makes you feel better. Groups are removed on the basis of that behavior, not where they lean. You'll never show an example suggesting otherwise.
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